To think people won't comply like they did last time?

KatherineJaneway · 04/01/2021 09:33

We don't have a choice; many offices are closed, gyms are closed, pubs and restaurants are closed, theater and music venues are closed etc.

TwirlingTwizzler · 04/01/2021 09:33

But the end is in sight, not complying is silly.

We just need to spend a short while longer complying to not overwhelm the nhs whilst the vaccines are rolled out.

This is not rocket science, this is how we get out of this mess so everyone who needs access to hospitals can get the treatment they need.

LizzieSiddal · 04/01/2021 09:38

You’re not describing most people I know. They want to lock down until they get the vaccine.

emilyfrost · 04/01/2021 09:39

Of course they won’t, because people are selfish and think their “exception” is good enough reason to break the rules.

yelyah22 · 04/01/2021 09:39

I agree, from what I can see on social media nobody in my hometown is even slightly complying. Parties for New Year, tons of mixing. Make me despair - it's all well and good closing cinemas and restaurants, but people are now just doing what they want anyway. I genuinely don't know what the answer is, either.

MedusasBadHairDay · 04/01/2021 09:39

@LizzieSiddal

You’re not describing most people I know. They want to lock down until they get the vaccine.

That's my experience too, most people think we should just lockdown properly and get it over and done with.

AdventureIsWaiting · 04/01/2021 09:42

I agree with you. We live on a busy estate, next to one of the main thoroughfares - I see a lot of people in and out of each others' houses, people mixing outside (we are Tier 4), and lots of mixed groups of people wandering around (15+ teeangers, groups of mums, groups of dads, parents arranging football games and playdates). And I've just read on another thread on this site someone 'not aware' that a healthy adult couple can't bubble with another healthy adult couple, and complaining that couple #2 keep having people over Traffic levels around here are also really busy - if everything is shut, where are they all going? It has to be private houses as nothing else is open. Social distancing is also very hit and miss compared to earlier this year - we've stopped walking during daylight as people aren't making room and we end up having to walk in the road.

I'd be less bothered about it if the new mutation wasn't so contagious.

Danu2021 · 04/01/2021 09:43

Everything's shut though. And it's January.

AlternativePerspective · 04/01/2021 09:44

Most people I know want a complete lockdown to get this over with.

Just because we see people doing x and y online doesn’t make them “everyone,” even if the media like us to think it does.

And as much as the government have some questions to answer after all this, so does the press, they’ve been atrocious.

yoyo1234 · 04/01/2021 09:51

I think compliance will be s lot less. Looking at some of the threads here where circa 40% thought mixing households at Christmas above allowed due to e.g. elderly relatives or carrying out their own risk assessment made me feel! There should be a "You Are Not Special" option.

Ugzbugz · 04/01/2021 10:30

My second vaccine may not be until july 2022, I cant bare another 18 months.

ChickyNuggies · 04/01/2021 10:37

But the end is in sight, not complying is silly.

3 weeks to flatten the curve.

I don't know ANYONE, rule following or not who believes that this is nearly over. In fact, most people I know think life as we knew it will never return.

TwirlingTwizzler · 04/01/2021 10:39

@ChickyNuggies

But the end is in sight, not complying is silly.

3 weeks to flatten the curve.

I don't know ANYONE, rule following or not who believes that this is nearly over. In fact, most people I know think life as we knew it will never return.

End is in sight is not the same as nearly over though is it.

emilyfrost · 04/01/2021 10:41

in fact, most people I know think life as we knew it will never return.

ChickyNuggies Then they’re idiots.

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 04/01/2021 10:42

YANBU. We are still human beings and we are not programmed to be cooped away for this long. So many people, even the ones fully on board with fighting the virus, have reached the end of their natural compliancy and I think the government need to take this into account now in their plans. We've gave enough in Lockdown 1.0.

DressingGownofDoom · 04/01/2021 10:42

The tiers and different rules here and there are muddying the waters too much. If there was a strict uk wide lockdown I think it would be fairly well adhered to.

MistleTOEboughski · 04/01/2021 10:44

I think if they shut schools and the cases keep rising then they will look at further measures which would be cracking down on people leaving the house without a reasonable excuse.

VanCleefArpels · 04/01/2021 10:45

I disagree - everyone I know is actually feeling more circumspect about their own activities because of the new variant

Janegrey333 · 04/01/2021 10:49

@supergirls

I genuinely don't think people will comply. People have become apathetic and just want to get on with life as normal now. Not have endless tiers/lockdowns/whatever else is coming.

We just seem to be going round in endless circles....

If they do not comply, then they are the idiots. I would label them pathetic as opposed to apathetic. Those people - or those who think as they do - disgust me.

Phoenix21 · 04/01/2021 10:49

I actually think most people are compliant.

Those who aren’t are limited in how they can congregate and even if 1 person mixes in a 10 strong group daily, their overall interaction will still be lower than when life was normal, ergo slower/reduced transmission than if everything was open.

Nonamesavail · 04/01/2021 10:50

From what I have seen most people comply until it suits them to do what they want then they try and justify it.

GreenlandTheMovie · 04/01/2021 10:57

I don't know anyone who is fully complying, but I know fewer people than ever to admit to it oubli ly.

Lockdown is an untested social experiment, but what other societies have shown us is that when the state restricts civil liberties, after a time, populations simply work out ways of secretively getting round those measures, even where fairly brutal state sanctions are instigated. Human societies will sacrifice a certain proportion of losses to be able to lead social lives.

This is actually embodied in the European Convention on Human Rights, which only permits restriction of human rights on a short term basis where the lives of the entire population as a whole are in imminent dander. This has been mainly ignored, although The Who diesnt support continued lockdowns either.

Janegrey333 · 04/01/2021 10:59

@GreenlandTheMovie

I don't know anyone who is fully complying, but I know fewer people than ever to admit to it oubli ly.

Lockdown is an untested social experiment, but what other societies have shown us is that when the state restricts civil liberties, after a time, populations simply work out ways of secretively getting round those measures, even where fairly brutal state sanctions are instigated. Human societies will sacrifice a certain proportion of losses to be able to lead social lives.

This is actually embodied in the European Convention on Human Rights, which only permits restriction of human rights on a short term basis where the lives of the entire population as a whole are in imminent dander. This has been mainly ignored, although The Who diesnt support continued lockdowns either.

Oh dear god.

GreenlandTheMovie · 04/01/2021 11:02

Care to elaborate on JaneGrey, or will God be along to speak for you shortly?

YoniAndGuy · 04/01/2021 11:02

I think they will.

Things are actually so much worse than they were.

Through first lockdown, I didn't know ANYONE who actually had it. It was like the bogeyman. Someone in the town might have it! Someone knew someone who had it!

Now. I know so many people who have it/have had it. And know of more than one death - thank goodness, no one close. Yet.