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To think people won't comply like they did last time?

62 replies

supergirls · 04/01/2021 09:31

I genuinely don't think people will comply. People have become apathetic and just want to get on with life as normal now. Not have endless tiers/lockdowns/whatever else is coming.

We just seem to be going round in endless circles....

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Dollybagwash · 04/01/2021 11:06

Why should people continue to comply though? Instead of an actual solution the government have admitted when Italy locked down they thought they would give it a try.

They have since continuously made an arse of it. I'm in Scotland and we have had tight restrictions since the start. Our FM is a better communicator but that's about it. It's a virus it spreads.

We have open borders for Christ sake? Can't possibly shut them? No but you can lock healthy people in.

The government have had a long time to put strategies in place, instead because of the hysteria they just implement lockdown. It's a complete failure.

As for protecting the NHS? Well every HCP I know is on their knees and ready to walk. We have done nothing but screw them, the self employed, the kids and the non key worker employees so this government didn't have images like Lombardy.

Compliance is a tool of the rich meanwhile people who are struggling are just doing the best they can.

lilfoxfur · 04/01/2021 11:10

Yesterday evening I walked my DSS's 11 and 7 back to their dms house. I passed maybe 4 people on our 30 minute walk.

People I know are complying. What choice do we have? Break down the pub doors and pour ourselves a pint? Break into a shop and steal a dress?

I'm not seeing my dm because she is asthmatic and I don't want her to die!!

I know it's disgustingly hard right now and I am feeling it badly, but we have a vaccine now. Let's just behave, for a bit longer..

AndcalloffChristmas · 04/01/2021 11:13

Yanbu to think people won’t comply as well.

But not to say they shouldn’t!

surelynotnever · 04/01/2021 11:15

In my experience people are travelling more - just a few miles to outdoor parks/ nature I can't bear to spend months only going to my local green space, which I am heartily sick of after the last lockdown, and I know others who feel the same. Whilst this is not strictly in the rules I don't think it is that bad. Its indoors that is causing transmission.

YoniAndGuy · 04/01/2021 11:21

@Dollybagwash

Why should people continue to comply though? Instead of an actual solution the government have admitted when Italy locked down they thought they would give it a try.

They have since continuously made an arse of it. I'm in Scotland and we have had tight restrictions since the start. Our FM is a better communicator but that's about it. It's a virus it spreads.

We have open borders for Christ sake? Can't possibly shut them? No but you can lock healthy people in.

The government have had a long time to put strategies in place, instead because of the hysteria they just implement lockdown. It's a complete failure.

As for protecting the NHS? Well every HCP I know is on their knees and ready to walk. We have done nothing but screw them, the self employed, the kids and the non key worker employees so this government didn't have images like Lombardy.

Compliance is a tool of the rich meanwhile people who are struggling are just doing the best they can.

Yes but I'm not 'complying' because the government says so.

You are right, they are a living example of an utterly incompetent workforce. The fact is that this cabinet were selected for their compliance with Brexit - which in 9 cases out of 10 means they'd say anything to get that post - and as a result, we have C-grade or worse individuals in jobs they would never have managed to get to even five years ago.

They literally don't know what to do as they aren't up to these jobs.

I'm staying in, probably not sending our kids back to school on my OWN judgement. It's the best option, especially when we have the shower of incompetents at the top who don't have the foresight or problem-solving skills to do the big things that we can't, such as shut borders or have the sense to act sooner rather than later on schools.

surelynotnever · 04/01/2021 11:21

They have since continuously made an arse of it. I'm in Scotland and we have had tight restrictions since the start. Our FM is a better communicator but that's about it. It's a virus it spreads

I don't really get why my scottish friends all love NS, and think she has done well on this. She made many of the same mistakes as the rest of the UK, and things are pretty crap there too. She is a better communicator, she sounds authoritative and genuine and apparently she looked like she was going to cry when talking about care home deaths (due to decisions made under her watch). But being good at presentation is not the same as being effective or competent.

Leagueofgentlemenfan · 04/01/2021 11:23

I dont think people will. People are struggling. I think its very disheatening when you see celebrities photos plastered over the internet on their holidays in dubai etc (for work Confused). Its like a slap in the face.
There isnt an end in sight either. The vaccines will take years to give to everyone, and they may not even work.

YoniAndGuy · 04/01/2021 11:24

Schools are of course the perfect example.

The absolute idiots in this cabinet have now sent a significant proportion of children back, to mix, probably for a couple of days before schools shut.

No bigger perspective. No foresight. No ability to act decisively. All the way through, they've shown how frightened they all are of challenging leadership. They've all let eventualities play out, THEN been driven by that to act - too little, too late. It's not even asking them to have a crystal ball, it's just a case of tail wagging dog.

Inexperience, lack of ability, all crowding around the insouciant fool at the top. It's like a medieval court!

DecemberSun · 04/01/2021 11:26

In my experience most people will comply. Any rule breaking was minor among my friends - travelling a little too far to a NT place. Or large families meeting in parks but staying well apart.

My cleaner carried on coming but I'm disabled so that was allowed.

nosswith · 04/01/2021 11:29

OP I share your concern about the level of non-compliance there will be. The Prime Minister by not sacking Dominic Cummings and then inaction over subsequent breaches by colleagues set a tone of one rule for one, one for us, which gave people a very good excuse. Even before they were fed up with his inadequate and very late responses.

Calmandmeasured1 · 04/01/2021 11:34

I think most people I know will continue to comply, as will I. The only people I know who won't are people who haven't complied from the start.

Dollybagwash · 04/01/2021 11:35

@YoniAndGuy aw I totally agree with that. I'm capable of looking at the way wind is blowing and understand things are rapidly getting out of hand again.

And to the poster who commented on Nicola Sturgeon, (sorry forgot username to tag)I agree she talks a good game but the reality is her decisions have been woeful. After the 16 day circuit break in the central belt, the grants had still not been given to businesses. They announce financial packages like there are no tomorrow but the money doesn't actually reach the people in a good time frame.

Her care home decisions are vile.

I obviously can't go to places that are shut and won't be visiting my granny anytime soon but the leaders of this country deserve nothing from the people. Failure to actually come up with a strategy is what made me come to that conclusion.

bigbluebus · 04/01/2021 11:36

I don't think people will comply in the same way as they did in the first lockdown. I think more people were scared at the beginning as so little was known about the virus other than news from Italy and Spain of thousands dying. Now we've lived with this for 9 months many people have either been breaking the rules and 'got away with it' ie not caught the virus or they've caught it but it has been a mild illness. So those selfish people who care not a jot about the bigger picture will carry on breaking lockdown rules even in full lockdown - they may just have to be a little more discreet about it.

LastTrainEast · 04/01/2021 11:38

We are not going around in circles.

We invented a vaccine (several of them in fact). We invented treatments to reduce risk of death for those who were infected. There's a nasal spray now that reduces the risk of catching it.

"are we there yet?"

Iheartmysmart · 04/01/2021 11:40

Most people I know are still complying however there is a distinct undertone of discontent and I’m not sure how much longer people will have the patience or appetite for continued restrictions. I include myself in this.

LindaEllen · 04/01/2021 11:52

You say 'like last time', but I honestly think compliance was very poor in November. Nothing like the sense of togetherness we had in March.

I don't think any more lockdowns will work.

Yeah, social contacts will be lessened as things are physically shut, so inaccessible, but people will meet in homes etc which is something the vast majority didn't the first time around.

Angel2702 · 04/01/2021 11:52

People are fed up there is no end in sight at all. If teachers, parents and children aren’t vaccinated it is just going to continue to spread even once the top priority groups are vaccinated. Are we all supposed to carry on until next year living like this?

There isn’t even any clear information about vaccine timelines etc so people can’t even see the end.

SueEllenMishke · 04/01/2021 12:47

I agree OP..... particularly in areas which have been under additional restrictions for a very long time yet have consistently low numbers.

Where I live we've never really left lockdown. We had 2 weeks in July where we could see family and friends but that's it. We have very, very low numbers and I know people are very frustrated.

People just seem to be quietly getting on with their lives.

SomewhatBored · 04/01/2021 12:51

I don't think people complied particularly well with the last lockdown.

Closing venues will enforce compliance, of course, but there seems little to be done about illicit social mixing in private homes. So many people seem to be able to self-justify breaking the rules, there's always a reason why they are special so can't comply.

Proudboomer · 04/01/2021 13:09

I live on the coast and with the good weather saw plenty of people no complying.
The beach and car parks were pretty full of people who decided to take a hours drive to take their daily exercise via a walk along the beach then were shocked to find the public loos were shut so they took a dump behind the beach huts.
At least if we have another lockdown it is winter and so people are less likely to find the beach so appealing.

Iknowwhatudidlastsummer · 04/01/2021 13:28

People didn't comply in the 1st lockdown and made their own rules, I am not sure why we'd expect any better this winter.

There will be less outdoors gatherings because of the weather, but apart from that.

There's no penalty for not following any rule when you do it privately, so why do you expect people not to be selfish? Every area, whatever the tier, had houses with large gatherings for Christmas and New Year. You just need to look at the cars, I bet it was the same where you are.

There's very little respect for social distancing outdoors or even in supermarkets. Not many people care and no one care they don't...

Iknowwhatudidlastsummer · 04/01/2021 13:30

To be honest, I have been following the rules. I won't stop my kids see their friends at the weekend when they already spend the week sitting together in the same class for hours every day.

B33Fr33 · 04/01/2021 13:36

3 apart from ours cars left in my street today, tier 4 of 25 houses (most have multiple cars. Lots of people with office jobs, lots with kids that are off today and at least 2 weeks). I realise you can go places but the interpretation is clearly do what the hell you want, both camper vans are gone one wasn't here all weekend. Certainly not 'stay home' . Every contact is a risk. No wonder we are all screwed.

Proudboomer · 04/01/2021 13:45

The sea front has been packed out with parked cars and walkers all though the Christmas period.
I know there is little else to do and having walking the dog along the sea front is good exercise but people are stupid as they all conjest on the same stretch.
They could drive 2 miles further along park up and take their walk on a stretch of beach that is pretty empty with the added area of a large green as well. Then they all post on the local Nextdoor site how busy the seafront is forgetting that they were part of the crowd in the first place.

Walkingtheplank · 04/01/2021 13:53

People wont comply - they're not complying as it is, which is why infection rates are soaring.

If most households in Tier 4 were just leaving their house for essential reasons - for most people this would just be going to the supermarket whilst wearing a mask and social distancing whilst there - it wouldnt be possible for so many to catch COVID.

But so many people consider themselves special.

It's utterly selfish.