To think people won't comply like they did last time?

[supergirls]

I genuinely don't think people will comply. People have become apathetic and just want to get on with life as normal now. Not have endless tiers/lockdowns/whatever else is coming.

We just seem to be going round in endless circles....

The thing is, in my experience people have become a lot lazier at the online social side of things too.

I mean, it's not like Zoom quizzes etc are my preferred form of entertainment, but I've found that friends who were really eager to take part in lockdown one now just whine about the lack of social contact whilst not bothering to start or engage with any that anyone suggests.

I know it's crap, but some socialisation has always been in our power.

I mean, it's not like Zoom quizzes etc are my preferred form of entertainment, but I've found that friends who were really eager to take part in lockdown one now just whine about the lack of social contact whilst not bothering to start or engage with any that anyone suggests.

I know it's crap, but some socialisation has always been in our power.

Tbh after working all day, all week on Teams/Zoom I really can't face using it for social reasons anymore.
I barely even watch tv at the moment as I'm fed up off sitting in front of a screen.

And I find it so frustrating that my own friends are breaking the rules.

Some of them are older, some are unfit, some are obese - some are all three, and yet they dont think that breaking the rules (not that they think they are breaking the rules) will impact them. I really do think I'll end up attending one of their funerals (or maybe not if that's not permitted).

I don't think the Government can be blamed for the infection growth of 'we' wont do our bit. And we live in a country where we have freedoms. I dont think we want less freedoms so I'm not sure how 'we' can help stop this.

The biggest change I think that supports your op is the openness of those who are ignoring the rules - someone I know was openly telling me abourt their gd coming over to stay for 3 nights and that her dd and sil were coming over for dinner (tier 4). 2 colleagues in our catch up call this morning talking about the Xmas hols and both quite casual about having had people over to stay, and both knew lots of people who have been doing the same, over the whole of Xmas and new year.also tier 4.

I went for a walk with a friend which is allowed in tier 4, we went to a local forest. There were clearly many family groups eg 2 sets of adults and their dc, out together.

These are probably the same arseholes who were bobbing from. Tier 3 to tier 2 and mixing households to eat inside restaurants and pubs. They are the reason it continues to spread. They are the reason that shops and pubs are now shut. They don't give a flying fuck.

My view is that everything else should be closed everywhere in order to keep schools open. Education is the most important thing. I would close every shop except for supermarkets, no mixing at all, cancel bubbles and return to the March lockdown, but keep schools open. Then if your child is infected, yes they will give it to you and those that live with you, but not to anyone else.

We don't need everybody to comply. The vast majority will.
It is household mixing indoors which is spreading it- which is, incidentally, the hardest thing to stop.

They are very limited on what they can do though. The only things open will be the supermarket and health services. Plus it's cold and wet so not that many will meet outside. There might be some low level mixing if households but on the whole I don't think people will have much choice.

My view is that everything else should be closed everywhere in order to keep schools open. Education is the most important thing. I would close every shop except for supermarkets, no mixing at all, cancel bubbles and return to the March lockdown, but keep schools open. Then if your child is infected, yes they will give it to you and those that live with you, but not to anyone else.

Except they could also give it to the 100 or so other pupils in their bubble, their teachers (who could also be at higher risk), and parents could also pass it in the supermarket, on their way to work etc.

Oh and also the poor bus/ tube/ train users who have to go to work alongside pupils too.

I do think most people are trying to comply. We haven't seen big groups of people out and about. Only pairs or (what look like) households.

What I think is becoming increasingly difficult is the impact on elderly people living alone. There's only so many times you can listen to your (usually upbeat) mum crying on the phone before you might give in and try to see her, even though you know its wrong.

People are only human. Seeing loved ones increasingly showing signs of distress, depression, anxiety and not being able to comfort them is tough.

We're in total lockdown again here in Scotland.

We obeyed the rules last time and we will this time too.

@GreenlandTheMovie

I don't know anyone who is fully complying, but I know fewer people than ever to admit to it oubli ly.

Lockdown is an untested social experiment, but what other societies have shown us is that when the state restricts civil liberties, after a time, populations simply work out ways of secretively getting round those measures, even where fairly brutal state sanctions are instigated. Human societies will sacrifice a certain proportion of losses to be able to lead social lives.

This is actually embodied in the European Convention on Human Rights, which only permits restriction of human rights on a short term basis where the lives of the entire population as a whole are in imminent dander. This has been mainly ignored, although The Who diesnt support continued lockdowns either.

I don't know Roger Daltrey's views on the covid restrictions, but local lockdowns were used to combat polio outbreaks in the last century

And sporadic lockdowns interspersed with restricted-normal isn't a continuous lockdown.