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[Lockdowner35]

As the last thread reached 1000 posts

I will start

Jo Swinson would have do a better job than Boris on Coronavirus

Thanks. He was such a wonderful person. Heartbreaking not to be able to help him.

What he needed was access to long term mental health provision that doesn’t rely on you having an address. And a support system that doesn’t punish drug abuse. He self medicated with illegal drugs to treat the PTSD, which of course made everything much worse. We need to start treating drug addiction as an illness rather than an offence.

But his is far from a unique case. While everyone is different, there are so many similar patterns.

Because of him I will quite often get talking to people. There was a lovely lady called Jade who often sat outside Leicester Square tube station. She had literally just heard that she had terminal cancer when I spoke to her. She didn’t want anything from me - it wasn’t a “sob story” she just wanted to chat. She could get medical care via her case worker, but couldn’t be housed because she wasn’t from London, she was from Wales. To get proper support she would have had to go back to her local area, but she was too scared to because of what had happened to her there. She would rather die on the streets in London.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to bring the mood down but I have spoken to so many homeless people now and while most are very far from being saints they are unique individuals with complex issues, not generic chancers who can’t be bothered to work.

"But I don't think your children exist as an accessory to your way of life, or as extension of your personality. It sometimes seems like people have an idea of the life they want, and children are born just to fit in with this. I don't know if this is common on mn so much, but in some circles "parenting" is almost a hobby, or lifestyle choice."

Totally agree with this.

"It's not about breastfeeding having "benefits". Breastfeeding is a biological norm, it should be about formula posing "risks". I bet if it was marketed like that (it should be IMO) then breastfeeding rates would soar as who wants to put their newborn at risk from the moment they enter the world?"

Breastfeeding has risks too. Failure to thrive, lack of iron/vitamin D, they sleep through later so the mum gets more and more exhausted leading to risk of PND, PND anyway is a risk with breastfeeding.

It is a CHOICE. Every choice in life has benefits and risks. Just let people make the choice that suits them.

Neither Twitter or Facebook should have banned Donald Trump. Tech companies should not have that kind of power.

Breastfeeding has risks too. Failure to thrive, lack of iron/vitamin D, they sleep through later so the mum gets more and more exhausted leading to risk of PND, PND anyway is a risk with breastfeeding.

Pnd is not a risk with breastfeeding. Some studies suggest that struggling with breastfeeding can cause Pnd - but the link could actually be that the Pnd is causing the breastfeeding issues.

Sucssesful breastfeeding helps with Pnd because of the hormones released while doing it. And not all breastfeeding mums are exhausted. I found bottle feeding harder at night as you have to get up and faff with a bottle. I can breastfeed while still dosing in bed.

Vit d is supplimented, iron can be too. If your baby has failure to thrive there is a problem, that's not the norm. If that was the norm the human race wouldn't exist. Its that stupid mentality that makes women lose confidence in their ability to feed their child in the way we have evolved to.

"I can breastfeed while dozing in bed" - lol yeah so safe, dozing next to a tiny infant

"Vit d is supplimented, iron can be too. If your baby has failure to thrive there is a problem, that's not the norm. If that was the norm the human race wouldn't exist. Its that stupid mentality that makes women lose confidence in their ability to feed their child in the way we have evolved to."

"Stupid mentality" - unable to construct a valid argument so resorts to insults. Lovely.

@BounceyBumblebee And btw the minute I stopped breastfeeding my pnd lifted. What a massive coincidence. Hormones aren't everything.

SO many women are unable to breastfeed for all sorts of reasons. Guilting them by saying it's so great and good and healthy and blah blah is shitty.

You doze ("dose") next to your tiny infant all you want proclaiming it's safe - it's far riskier than bottle feeding. Go ahead @ me with all your shitty arguments about how safe it is - the experts disagree with you.

Breastfeeding is a protective factor for SIDS. You can breastfeed in bed saftley. It's natural. Cramming your baby full of artificial milk knocking them out into a deep sleep isn't natural.

Breast is well evidenced as better. No one is trying to guilt anyone. It's a fact. If you feel guilt that's on you. As I said if you can't breastfeed formula is an adequate alternative. I certainly feel no guilt for not breastfeeding my 1st as I coulndt.

Breastfeeding is undeniably what is best for your baby. Not everyone can do it so we have formula as an alternative. We shouldn't be banned from saying breast is best because it makes some people feel bad.

And again if breastfeeding is so unsafe - how have mammals all over the world thrived.

Breastfeeding is the optimal way for a mammal to rear is young. People that carer for animals know that, but for some reason humans think its not the best or safest way for their young.

Neither Twitter or Facebook should have banned Donald Trump. Tech companies should not have that kind of power

What kind of power? They can do whatever they like, and set whatever codes of conduct they like with their own products and platforms. All companies can.
Trump broke the rules so was suspended, as is everyone who does so.
Mumsnet bans people, too.

@RunningFromInsanity breastfeeding in public is attention seeking?!

What about when you’re out ALL day and your baby needs feeding every 2 hours? Are you not allowed to go out?

I breastfed my babies in public A LOT. They ate A LOT.

I usually hid in the corner of a cafe with a cover over me or used a designated feeding room.

How that is attention seeking I don’t know - please explain.

@Notimeforaname

Because I can't figure out how someone who is 5 inches shorter than me and 2 stone heavier is a dress size smaller than I am Muscle weighs more than fat, this could be a very toned person with lots of muscle who is taller but smaller in dress size. It's very common for others to get someone's weight so wrong based on appearance or on paper.

Trans women are women.
Being childfree is wonderful
I absolutely love drag.

A pound of muscle weighs exactly the same as a pound of fat 😉

That many women who don’t breastfeed (whether through choice or otherwise) appear to have a real issue with, and bad attitude towards, women that do. Whereas I think the majority of breastfeeding mums couldn’t give two hoots about the fact that many women use formula.

Completely agree with this, pro-breastfeeding talk seems to be labelled as "anti formula" when it isn't at all. Whereas "pro formula" seems to be ALL about slating breastfeeding.

This thread is a great example of that.

Total rubbish too that formula doesn't pose risks. It can cause gastric intestinal issues especially if made up incorrectly (and so many people seem to make it up my adding unsterilised water). Lack of breastfeeding costs the NHS £40m a year. www.nhs.uk/news/pregnancy-and-child/more-breastfeeding-would-save-nhs-millions/

@ChocoCrazyCat

Sorry to keep going on about BF. But there may be new mums or mums to be who are reading this thread, some of whom may struggle with BF. Formula could the difference between their baby thriving or not thriving, and their MH being good or suffering. It's important to know that whatever choice you make you ARE doing the best for your baby. Fed is best. I'll shut up now.

It's equally dangerous to perpetuate the lie that breastfeeding is always difficult, that formula feeding is it all risk free and scaremongering about breastfed babies dying

"I can breastfeed while dozing in bed" - lol yeah so safe, dozing next to a tiny infant

Co sleeping if done correctly is perfectly safe

"Stupid mentality" - unable to construct a valid argument so resorts to insults. Lovely.

But she had a point. So many people seem to 'need' formula these days - but the human race survived for millennia before its existence.

Fiftyand - yeah they way the same. But one looks smaller. A pound of feathers takes up more space than a pound of gold. A pound of feathers would need a bigger bag! Hence a pound of fat needs a bigger dress size than a pound of muscle!

Whoever said about trump being banned. Do you think social media companies shouldn't be able to ban anyone for anything? Bizarre.

Wet nursing goes back as far as 200 AD and alternatives to breast milk have been made long before actual formula existed. There have been difficulties with breast feeding for as long as people have been around. Unlike animals who would have evolved to produce offspring who have no problems feeding due to natural selection, humans have circumnavigated this by finding alternatives.

Formula per say does not pose risks and cost the NHS money.
Poorly made up formula poses risks. There is a difference.

That the idea of blame has permeated the modern mind and led to perpetual victimhood.

I believe in forgiveness which seems very out of fashion here.

Step mums aren't satan

Whispering with other people in front of someone in the workplace is a form of bullying, and the people doing it know it too.

You aren't someone who tells it like it is, you are a thoughtless twat who enjoys hurting people.

Whoever said about trump being banned. Do you think social media companies shouldn't be able to ban anyone for anything? Bizarre.

That's not what I said.

@OlympicProcrastinator

Wet nursing goes back as far as 200 AD and alternatives to breast milk have been made long before actual formula existed. There have been difficulties with breast feeding for as long as people have been around. Unlike animals who would have evolved to produce offspring who have no problems feeding due to natural selection, humans have circumnavigated this by finding alternatives.

Formula per say does not pose risks and cost the NHS money.
Poorly made up formula poses risks. There is a difference.

Wet nursing still involved breastfeeding. Humans have not "evolved to find alternatives" - evolution takes longer than formula has been around. Alternatives are not marketed to animals, driven by multimillion pond companies, it hasn't been normalised in the animal kingdom that the natural way to feed your baby is taboo, attention seeking, and destined to fail.

Sterilising babies bottles is unnecessary as long as they are washed at high temp. Babies don’t exist in sterile environments. My daughter was born in the states and no one sterilised there- paediatrician advised against it

@Scrumbleton formula does need to be made up with cooled boiled water though to sterilise the powder.

@ JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

No, I didn’t say they’ve ‘evolved to find alternatives’ I’m saying that difficulties with breast feeding have continued throughout human evolution because mothers who cannot feed their children have never left them to die. Problems with feeding pre date formula.

The rest of your post is a separate argument and not one that I disagreed with or made any comment on.