Opinions you have that aren't popular on mumsnet(2)

[Lockdowner35]

As the last thread reached 1000 posts

I will start

Jo Swinson would have do a better job than Boris on Coronavirus

@pictish

Daughters in law are often selfish, petty, egotistical madams. They feel entitled to be in control of everything, imagine everyone else has to defer to them and they treat their mothers in law like shit. Mumsnet loves and supports them. I think they’re cunts.

Wow. I'm sorry you have such a bad relationship with your DIL, that must be really hard for you.

But I have to say it works both way my soon to be MIL is a disgusting manipulative person who thinks she should have full control over my DP and the rest of the Family and that the whole world revolves around her despite how shit she treats everyone (especially my DP) If I didn't love my DP so much I would run a mile!

@HugeAckmansWife

Actually private and public schools are different. Public schools were originally funded by benefactors like a king and free to students. The biggest ones still have huge bursary funds to cover fees for those with scholarships and some, like St Pauls offer a "needs blind" admissions process. Private schools were just that - privately owned and operated for profit (think Dotheboys Hall or the one Jane Eyre went to) but they now operate as charitable institutions with any profit being ploughed back into the institution. They can usually only afford to offer limited bursaries / scholarships. They charitable status has to be shown by providing "public good" in the form of sharing facilities etc.

I understood that Public schools were called Public because they were open to anyone who could pay, in contrast to private schooling at home, or schools tied to churches, guilds etc that were only for that group.

@ChochoCrazyCat it was following research at Douglas College in Canada. Happy to provide a link?

But it would be so convenient to you to not believe it.

Because we can't clone children, feed one formula and one breastmilk, it's impossible to know the comparative impact on an individual child. So we work with the facts - and no there is not just "marginal" differences. There's benefits for the mother too. Also it's pretty logical - human milk is for human babies. A milk made for another species, to be adapted to that species, will not have the same impact.

I've been accused of making formula feeders feel bad for stating facts. But I think comments like that actually minimise the efforts breastfeeders go to. Breastfeeding is very hard to establish, we don't have instructions on our tits. To say "meh you wouldn't see a difference if you had formula fed" is not only inaccurate but totally offensive to women who've worked hard on their breastfeeding relationship.

@SchrodingersImmigrant

This is not ao much an opinion (but anything to change from that debate...) as a information I think many on MN need to know. You can answer the door without fully opening them😱 Talk through, use chain or talk through window. You can also buy door intercom for about 20.

Ooh don't buy a doorbell cam, that's VERY unpopular on MN, people only buy doorbell cams if they want to spy on their neighbours or if they're peeping Tom's apparently

[quote ChochoCrazyCat]@Tollergirl Seriously, ignore these people. I'm sure you're a great mum. Infant feeding is such a small part of parenthood in the long-run. It's laughable there are people who think breastfeeding defines you as a mother. [/quote]
Who said breastfeeding ending defines you as a mother @ChochoCrazyCat? Did I miss a post or are you making things up?

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows nooo. I wouldn't dare to suggest ring doorbell😂

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows
So after multiple posts telling other posters not to be oversensitive and dismissing their experience with BF struggles you're now offended because you feel we're being dismissive of your BF. Irony?

You keep talking about facts, but haven't actually provided any apart from listing a bunch of ingredients.
Yet ingredients only matter when you look at the impact on health.
Sure, there are some benefits to BF and yes it's the natural food for babies.

But there's not one piece of research out there that conclusively proves being breastfed has a SIGNIFICANT (rather than slight) impact on health outcomes over a person's lifetime, compared to being bottle fed. Not one, and I have done a lot of reading about this. It's not like there are two classes of people - those who were BF and those who were FF - with big differences in development and health.

So if you want to breastfeed and can do it, great. Go you. Your baby will thrive. My baby will thrive on formula too. It's not a threat to your "breastfeeding relationship" to point this out and you don't get to lord it over non-BF mums (and btw FF isn't easy either but I'm not looking for a medal for sterilising bottles all day).

Anyway, I'm ending things here because we've hijacked the thread and I have things to do.

So after multiple posts telling other posters not to be oversensitive and dismissing their experience with BF struggles

@ChochoCrazyCat when have I dismissed anyone's breastfeeding struggles?! Again with the making things up! Please do stop.

I told one poster who very obtusely took offence to what I wrote - despite writing nothing at all about formula feeders - to stop being sensitive and I stand by that because they took one look at me correcting facts about breastfeeding and thought "waaaah I'm being attacked as a formula feeders". That is being unnecessarily over sensitive and blaming someone else for their own internalised guilt.

You keep talking about facts, but haven't actually provided any apart from listing a bunch of ingredients.

You haven't provided facts either that there's hardly any difference in benefits of breastfeeding.

The "bunch of ingredients" are a list of beneficial nutrients a baby receives. How is the at not a fact?

But there's not one piece of research out there that conclusively proves being breastfed has a SIGNIFICANT (rather than slight) impact on health outcomes over a person's lifetime, compared to being bottle fed. Not one, and I have done a lot of reading about this. It's not like there are two classes of people - those who were BF and those who were FF - with big differences in development and health.

You are correct and it would be impossible to ascertain - but you can't dismiss the fact that breastfeeding comes with some benefits (such as a reduced chance of breast cancer or ovarian cancer in the mother) that not breastfeeding doesn't. That's not to say that formula feeders will get breast cancer and breast feeders won't. Nothing in science is ever that conclusive - but it is what we know, it will be a reason for many people choosing to breastfeed and dismissing those facts because it doesn't suit YOUR choice is, at worst, offensive and at best obtuse.

I also firmly believe that for many people their breastfeeding experience is so detrimental that the physical positives of breastfeeding are heavily outweighed by the negative impacts of struggles to establish feeding, sleepless night and mental health, etc. Or maybe mum is on medication that could be harmful to the baby if she feeds. In which case in both instances breast is obviously not best. It's also entirely valid if a woman chooses to FF simply because she prefers to. No one is criticising that, least of all me. But that doesn't change the fact that it's not ok to publish misinformation on breastfeeding touted as "opinion" and I find it mind boggling that me correcting that misinformation has turned into a competition into who can tell me that I've told people they're tErrIBlE mOtHErs 🙄 some people REALLY read what they want in posts

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows You are really ruining this thread ffs

This thread hit the skids ages ago. It’s just slugging it out now.

@RunningFromInsanity - why? Because I won't tolerate people making things up about what I've said?

Lockdowns don’t work.

Being overweight can never be healthy

If people in the UK had healthier lifestyles we would have had far fewer covid deaths

@MiniTheMinx

I'm a communist. Class before identity politics. Not interested in discussing gender......that's what opened the door to the problem. Feminism in the 70s was detrimental to working class women. Cultural feminist theory needs to be binned. English literature as an academic discipline is a crock of useless nonsense along with gender studies. Post modernist clap trap condemned us to immiseration.

And probably much more.

Are you the fully automated luxury type of communist or just a regular one. Disclaimer: other brands are available

I don't see the big fuss over friends

@RoSEbuds6 I agree, and try to!

sst1234, I'm not one of those idealist socialists, nor am I a trotskyite.

I didn't breastfeed. I slept well, remained sane and to all intents and purposes my DC appear unharmed! and my tits are still where they started. seriously though, we have a choice. As long as the baby is fed, and cared for and mother is happy all is good. The only issue I have with formula is the way its been marketed to women in poor regions and developing nations where there are issues with water and hygiene.

You shouldn’t have children if you can’t afford them. By afford them, I include holidays at least once a year, extra curricular activities and not being reliant on second hand clothes and toys.

I wonder what percentage of the world’s population can afford all that?

Surrogacy is a wonderful thing, for both parties involved.

How about for the baby?

Here’s my unpopular opinion - tea is disgusting. The taste is horrible and adding milk really doesn’t help.

I also can’t stand the way people faff about making hot drinks, or worse still, expect me to make them a round every time I fetch myself a glass of water. I don’t care who wants the red mug and who wants the blue one. I’m not interested in the never-ending debate about whether the milk should go in before or after. And I don’t believe that if your individual formula isn’t followed to the millilitre, you “can’t drink it”. You’re just being precious.

@Cattenberg

Here’s my unpopular opinion - tea is disgusting. The taste is horrible and adding milk really doesn’t help.

I also can’t stand the way people faff about making hot drinks, or worse still, expect me to make them a round every time I fetch myself a glass of water. I don’t care who wants the red mug and who wants the blue one. I’m not interested in the never-ending debate about whether the milk should go in before or after. And I don’t believe that if your individual formula isn’t followed to the millilitre, you “can’t drink it”. You’re just being precious.

Oh god yes!

Whenever I start a new job I always announce "I don't drink hot drinks, so I don't make them for others". You'd think by some people's reaction I'm saying I skin cats as a hobby.

The politics in places I've worked surrounding tea making, the snippy comments and upset and demands is ridiculous. It's actually quite embarrassing to watch grown adults behave like this over drinks.

[quote JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows]@ChochoCrazyCat it was following research at Douglas College in Canada. Happy to provide a link?

But it would be so convenient to you to not believe it.

Because we can't clone children, feed one formula and one breastmilk, it's impossible to know the comparative impact on an individual child. So we work with the facts - and no there is not just "marginal" differences. There's benefits for the mother too. Also it's pretty logical - human milk is for human babies. A milk made for another species, to be adapted to that species, will not have the same impact.

I've been accused of making formula feeders feel bad for stating facts. But I think comments like that actually minimise the efforts breastfeeders go to. Breastfeeding is very hard to establish, we don't have instructions on our tits. To say "meh you wouldn't see a difference if you had formula fed" is not only inaccurate but totally offensive to women who've worked hard on their breastfeeding relationship.[/quote]
Twins

"Whenever I start a new job I always announce "I don't drink hot drinks, so I don't make them for others". "

Well that sounds like an insane thing to do

@Cattenberg I have no idea as I wasn’t quoting statistics, I was posting my unpopular opinion as per the thread title.

For discussion; not many will and it’s shit for the children in my opinion.

We should be taxing wealth (including homes) not income to pay for covid. A 0.5-1% annual tax on your family home value plus 2% on second/third homes.

Breast or bottle, phah....
Dual-fuel is the best, DC are nearly-teens and were fed via both methods, never turned into boob-refusniks after getting a bit of a bottle, and are most loving, bright and (annoying at times) creatures I've been lucky to ever meet!

To froth the issue a bit further - ECS is the best way to bring DC into this world, calm, controlled, pain-free, civilised and if one is lucky, carried out by a rather dishy consultant, making it aesthetically pleasing as well.

Raisins are nutritious.
Looking after your own children is easier than going to work.