Toddler class still running in Tier 4

[AllChange2021]

On Facebook I've just seen that a local toddler class is still running. We're in Tier 4. There was a message to the effect that the organiser had read the restrictions and believed that they can still meet. Classes last 45 minutes and are a lot of fun but the parent or carer has to stay with the child/children so this in no way is helping parents work nor providing respite for the adults.
So there will be ( up to 15?) parents/carers indoors with toddlers. Doesn't this make a mockery of the Tier 4 Stay At Home message and the sacrifices we're all making? How can anyone go ahead with this with a clear conscience in the current circumstances?

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You could politely ask the organiser to share the info which says it's allowed

On the Gov.uk site it says under Tier 4 rules 'Parent and child groups can continue where they provide support to parent and/or child, and children under 5 will not be counted within the 15 person limit – meaning parents and carers can attend such groups in larger numbers. These cannot take place in private dwellings'

In the local ones to me - parents must wear masks during the group

This is allowed - exception is listed here

@80sColourfulChristmas

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To who, the fun police? Playgroups are allowed.

Its stupidly allowed OP

@Herdwick In Tier 4? They’re referring to therapeutic classes, things like classes about weaning/feeding or breastfeeding, colic, classes which are beneficial to the child and parent. Not bloody playgroups! Playgroups are just mummies having a gathering whilst kids play with old broken toys with kids they don’t know. That’s socialising!!
The entire point behind Tier 4 is to scale back to ESSENTIAL only activities! Kids being ignored whilst mummies have a natter in a church hall is NOT essential nor beneficial to anyone! Least of all the child

@LoveMyKidsAndCats

Its stupidly allowed OP

Oh yes, stupid to support parents alone in charge of very vulnerable people.

Depends on the nature of the class.

The one I attend is allowed to continue as it aids development and is run by a class leader trained in EYFS. They meet all standards set by the government and have had official confirmation that they can open.

All adults have to wear a mask and visor and the flooring is sectioned off with tape where each family (1 adult plus child/ren) are asked to remain. Each family has their own box of props for the session which are sanitised between classes.

Yep allowed

Just like as I have a baby under one I can travel out of tier 4 to my sister in a lower tier. I just have to declare her my support.

So technically my whole family could have spent Christmas in Cornwall without breaking the rules.

We didn't!

Crazy golf is open and our local zoo.

I am actually glad the zoo can stay open as was struggling to feed the animals with no income in first lockdown

[quote 80sColourfulChristmas]@Herdwick In Tier 4? They’re referring to therapeutic classes, things like classes about weaning/feeding or breastfeeding, colic, classes which are beneficial to the child and parent. Not bloody playgroups! Playgroups are just mummies having a gathering whilst kids play with old broken toys with kids they don’t know. That’s socialising!!
The entire point behind Tier 4 is to scale back to ESSENTIAL only activities! Kids being ignored whilst mummies have a natter in a church hall is NOT essential nor beneficial to anyone! Least of all the child[/quote]
They’re absolutely not.
This was established in the last lockdown.

I wouldn't do baby classes until little one can walk but feel some new mums do need them. A lot of people don't have family support.

It is allowed in the legislation. And yes in Tier 4. Read the legislation. Sorry OP but you are not the dictator of the rules.

These are allowed - as is U18’s outdoor sport in T4. So kids can mix with all the kids from the other local schools at their football/rugby/hockey/netball clubs. But (in London at least), they can’t go to school

This is classed as education and allowed

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

I wouldn't do baby classes until little one can walk but feel some new mums do need them. A lot of people don't have family support.

Plenty of classes/groups are Aimed at none walkers!

This is allowed. Some of the baby classes I go to applied to the council to ensure that they were allowed to operate under this rule but I don't think they had to do so. The ones I have been to are being extremely careful - you sit on a mat with a mask on miles from anyone and have to try to keep your baby away from other babies.

Every time I read a thread on mumsnet at the moment it seems to be supporting stripping away one of the last things left for children. Last week there were threads asking for playgrounds and nurseries to be closed again. There was a thread about making primary school children isolate alone in their rooms and one about removing support bubbles for children under 1. Everyone seems to want schools closed. I don't think some posters will be happy until I lock my 10m old alone in his room and throw away the key lest anyone catch covid from him.

Many activities are using the “out of school activities” exemption to carry on.

It’s supposed to cover childcare and after school clubs etc, or off site education.

Yet our local ice rink is staying open for lessons which I think is stretching it.

The world is a miserable place at the moment and it seems like some people won't be satisfied until there is no enjoyment for anything or anyone!

yorkshirepuddddiiing

Yes your right. I am just a grumpy old Grannie mummy that can't be bothered until I have a toddler to exercise.

I run a playgroup, we won't be opening again this term (Tier 4), although legally we could.
Before Christmas we had a lot more join who had young babies and desperately needed to speak to someone else (we socially distanced in a massive hall with masks). One burst into tears at being able to speak to other parents since having her , rather tricky, baby. We're a rural area with low Covid cases, although that is now rising fast, hence Tier 4. I really feel for mothers with new babies. It's isolating as it is, especially around here, I would have very much struggled to cope.

The world is a miserable place at the moment and it seems like some people won't be satisfied until there is no enjoyment for anything or anyone!

I know I see the world very black and white, but all this bending of rules and finding ways to interpret them so they don’t mean what they do is a big part of why we’re in this mess.

I personally think some activities should be open in Tier 4, especially for children. But whatever, the rules say no indoor sport for under-18’s.

That ice rinks and other sports have rebranded themselves as “childcare” to get round that? It’s not that i’m a fun sucker, it’s that i want the numbers down as fast as possible so we can all return to some sort of normality. Little suzie can do without her dance class or skating lesson.

People need to stop thinking they are special and can bend the rules to suit them. We’ll just be in Tier 4 for longer..

Well it seems as @Meredithgrey1 shows it is allowed. But as far as I can see that runs counter to any idea of stay at home or essential activities only. Personally I don't see why it is allowed. And as for those who want to have fun - there's a pandemic on. Can you possibly postpone your fun until after people stop dying? Avoiding gatherings can't be that hard surely?

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Yep allowed

Just like as I have a baby under one I can travel out of tier 4 to my sister in a lower tier. I just have to declare her my support.

So technically my whole family could have spent Christmas in Cornwall without breaking the rules.

We didn't!

Crazy golf is open and our local zoo.

I am actually glad the zoo can stay open as was struggling to feed the animals with no income in first lockdown

Crazy golf and zoos can open in tier 4?!

How ridiculous

What’s the actual point of any of this if you can go and mix with people at a zoo or crazy golf

@AllChange2021

Well it seems as *@Meredithgrey1* shows it is allowed. But as far as I can see that runs counter to any idea of stay at home or essential activities only. Personally I don't see why it is allowed. And as for those who want to have fun - there's a pandemic on. Can you possibly postpone your fun until after people stop dying? Avoiding gatherings can't be that hard surely?

It's not about fun,it's about support. No one goes to a baby/toddler group for fun. Pandemic or not, life still goes on. Let's not make it even more miserable than it already is for some.