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Advice needed ASAP. Who was unreasonable.

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DaffodilsAndDandelions · 01/01/2021 17:22

My partner called our 2yo a twat. This was in anger and quite aggressively shouted. 2yo was on his shoulders at the time and had just accidentally hit him in the face with a stick.
I immediately tried to remove 2yo from his shoulders as I didn't want him in that situation. I couldn't as partner is stronger than me and I won't enter a tug of war with my son in the middle. Argument carried on for ages with him calling me all sorts of names and me getting upset and angry too. Lots of wrong doing on both sides for sure. I definitely felt threatened when he kept standing in front of me trying to walk away (once I had been given my son again). Kept pulling on my coat/arms and threw the dog lead at a wall. I said that I accepted we needed to talk but infront of the children (7yo DSS was with us too) was not the time and we should just look for the lead and the dog who had run off by this time.
I over heard partner saying lots of unkind things about me to his eldest son which I just ignored.
I know I saw red when he insulted our 2yo as no parent should ever use language like that too their child. I should probably have let it go but he made me so mad. I told him I felt threatened and didn't trust him not to smack 2yo which isn't strictly true as I don't think he would smack the toddler for an accident. He does however threaten the 7yo and has been known to follow through when pushed and pushed right to the limit. Never hard, more along the lines of daddy has told you 27 times to stop shrieking gibberish and warned you of consequences attention grabbing smack through clothes.

Don't know what I'm asking really. He's gone out until after 2yo bedtime I think. I don't know where or when he'll be back exactly.

OP posts:
KatieGGGG · 01/01/2021 18:25

The 2yo thing is the least issue tbh. People speak before thinking when in pain.

Tugging your clothes is a massive red flag.

Standing in front of you is the next red flag.

Slagging you off to a child is a disgrace.

Me and DH have had extremely “fiery” arguments. Never once has he used his size to prevent me from doing anything or grabbed my clothes.

People are imperfect but please assess your situation if this is a pattern of behaviour. Hope you and 2yo are doing okay.

Socksey · 01/01/2021 18:30

I don't think you are all reading the same post as me.
Child accidently hurts his father (op does refer to both children going her partners).... father swears and says something the 2 year old doesn't understand in anger ( he does nothing else at this point)
Mother attempts to pull child off fathers shoulders in anger and indignation... he holds child most likely to stop being knocked over or injuring child
Mother continues to harangue and goad the father .... both speak in anger to each other.... he stands to try to have a discussion.... this took a few readings as OPs words indicate she was preventing him....
OP then decides she is feeling threatened as it's not going her way... both are now fully wound up... and she goes on to tell us he has been known to lightly smack his other son through his clothes etc.... not ideal but many mothers have done this too...
Father then removes himself from the situation as OP is clearly not willing to discuss etc.... not saying he's blameless but it was a sensible thing to do...
Both parties need to learn to talk about things like grown ups ..... bad language is not ideal but I wonder would her reaction have been 'oh darling, we don't hit people in the face with sticks' and a sweet smile, if it had been her...

Nobody is being abused here.... OP had a fight with her partner and doesn't want to back down... both are wrong and both should apologise.... the only person who got physical here is OP when she tried to pull the child off his father...

icelollycraving · 01/01/2021 18:30

If I got an unexpected whack in the face from a toddler I might swear as a response. What I wouldn’t do is start being threatening to any child or partner ever. As a pp said, take your blinkers off. This won’t get better. If he’s already showing a child that when pushed, violence or threats of it are the correct manner to deal with the situation your dss and ds are in for a troubling time. This is not the 1970s. You and these children deserve more.

Tal45 · 01/01/2021 18:31

Your OH was whacked in the face so the swearing might be due to shock. As soon as the shock had worn off he should have apologised profusely to everyone, explained that it was shock and that he was completely in the wrong. The way he behaved was totally unacceptable.

Ohdoleavemealone · 01/01/2021 18:35

I think you overeacted at the swear, as that sounds more like a reflex reaction to being hit in the face, but the rest is unreasonable.

GeordieGreigsButtButtZoom · 01/01/2021 18:35

I don't think you are all reading the same post as me.

Well, I know you saw the bit about him calling the child a nasty name and hitting the other one, but you've made excuses about those things, so you think they're ok. Did you see the bit where he bitched about OP to his child (the one he hits, not the one he name calls; it's confusing because he name called OP too), laid hands on her to pull at her arms (this read to me as though OP was trying to walk away, you appear to have read it differently) and threw something in anger?

Bekilted · 01/01/2021 18:39

The first time anyone laid a hand on my child would be the last. Cannot believe the abuse apologists. The aggression towards a vulnerable people unable to defend themselves absolutely is abuse.

GeorgiaGirl52 · 01/01/2021 18:44

Did you find the dog?

newyearisnewtome · 01/01/2021 18:44

Woah woah woah....sorry i couldn't even get past the first sentence!

YoniAndGuy · 01/01/2021 18:48

Wow, no. Just no.

He's showed aggression to both you and the children - it doesn't have to be throwing punches - he used his size and threatening behaviour to intimidate you.

And because his two year old ACCIDENTALLY hit him.

It has to be a dealbreaker - if he cannot control himself in this kind of situaiton, quite frankly it's only a matter of time before he hits one of you, isn't it? It probably will be quite a long time though, because after this, you're going to be extra careful not to poke the bear - right?

This is a road you can't go down.

Why did he and his ex split?

He hits his son?

Takingontheflab · 01/01/2021 18:48

Oh goodness.

OP, did you know he hit his eldest before you had a child with him?

My first LTB.

YoniAndGuy · 01/01/2021 18:49

And yes, quite frankly the first sentence is enough.

Socksey · 01/01/2021 18:49

@GeordieGreigsButtButtZoom

I don't think you are all reading the same post as me.

Well, I know you saw the bit about him calling the child a nasty name and hitting the other one, but you've made excuses about those things, so you think they're ok. Did you see the bit where he bitched about OP to his child (the one he hits, not the one he name calls; it's confusing because he name called OP too), laid hands on her to pull at her arms (this read to me as though OP was trying to walk away, you appear to have read it differently) and threw something in anger?

As I said there's two of them in it... Personally I think both of their behaviour was way out of line and OP has come here wanting to be told that he was completely unreasonable and he was in the wrong... We've only got her word for what happened She was the first to lay hands by trying to pull the 2 year old off his fathers shoulders... he pulled at her clothes ... a sleeve or whatever.... he didn't yank anything unless OP comes back to tell us a different story.... He bitched at the other child about OP... not very grown up but then neither was OP.... so basically a pair of people who need to both wise up and both look at their behaviour
Santaisironingwrappingpaper · 01/01/2021 18:49

And now your dc had started hitting. Wonder where they got that idea from?

ancientgran · 01/01/2021 18:51

If he was hit hard in the face it will just have been an automatic exclamation. I don't see that as abusive. I think you over reacted to that but then he over reacted to you.

Doesn't sound like a good situation.

alecguinnessgenuineclass · 01/01/2021 18:53

Oh my god. Appalling. Just totally unacceptable. He is an adult, your son is two. This would be grounds for splitting for me.

Nanny0gg · 01/01/2021 18:56

@Santaisironingwrappingpaper

And now your dc had started hitting. Wonder where they got that idea from?
I expect the DC was just waving a stick about and it was an accident. so bit of an overreaction, no?

The OP's partner is still an abusive pig though.

ancientgran · 01/01/2021 18:56

He's showed aggression to both you and the children - it doesn't have to be throwing punches - he used his size and threatening behaviour to intimidate you. The OP made it physical though by trying to take the child off his shoulders. If she had said, "Give him to me." it is different to trying to take him so she was part of escalating it which she admits.

billy1966 · 01/01/2021 18:56

OP, I think you know very well what you witnessed and exactly the context within your family.

Toxic is how it reads.

Protect your child and yourself OP.

Your gut is screaming at you.

Please don't ignore it.

TJ17 · 01/01/2021 18:57

This is so damaging to the children.

That would be my biggest worry.

nimbuscloud · 01/01/2021 18:58

You know what you need to do.
How long will it take you to make the decision?

Santaisironingwrappingpaper · 01/01/2021 19:02

Not wrong to assume the 2 yo has seen the 7 yo hit surely?

GoldenRainbow · 01/01/2021 19:02

I think there is a difference between 'swearing' accidentally when you're smacked in the face by a toddler and aggressively swearing at a 2yo.

So nasty.
Shame that some people on here think that's ok. But it does sound like OP already knew what kind of man/ parent he was from the way he treats his older son, so I doubt much of this is a surprise to her.

Weirdlynormal · 01/01/2021 19:06

Yep and when he gives him a good whack, what then?

Nochangeplease · 01/01/2021 19:07

Is twat a swear word now?

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