Outside walks and people

[CharlotteRose90]

No hate please but I’m hoping I’m not the only one.

So me and my mum have been going for walks with the dog and it’s making me so angry what people are doing. Walking so close to us and not keeping distance. We’re both in the vulnerable category and I’ve said so many times to people to move away.

I completely get you don’t have to wear a mask but don’t walk next to or behind people you don’t know. The park we choose today had a massive path and people still did it. I ended up shouting at this woman for standing next to my mum and coughing.

Rant over. I’m hoping I’m not crazy

Yuck you shouted at someone and put your breath all over them. Worse than coughing.

@NikeDeLaSwoosh

YABU

If you are the vulnerable ones, then you need to go somewhere remove where there are fewer people.

It’s really entitled to expect healthy people to give up even more of their liberty for someone making no effort at all to protect themselves.

Millions and millions of people have lost literally everything in an attempt to keep you ‘safe’. There needs to be at least some effort made from your side too.

Yes

I went on a 6 mile walk today from the centre of tow and picked a quite route most covid19 walkers don't know about, we saw 6 other couples walking.

use your local council rights of way map to get some ideas

map.devon.gov.uk/dccviewer/MyLocalPaths/

www.northamptonshire.gov.uk/councilservices/northamptonshire-highways/rights-of-way/Pages/the-definitive-map.aspx. scroll down for the rights of way interactive map

"my county" google rights of way map

spread out people and explore other ares you haven't tried before right on your doorstep

"My cousin caught the virus outside - everyone on the shoot he was on caught it. They thought they had been careful but maybe the new strain is more contagious outside?"

This is quite worrying.

[quote m0therofdragons]@NikeDeLaSwoosh how is moving to the side giving up your liberty?

If op and her mum catch covid then they’re likely to take up a hospital bed each for a length of time. Then, if you fall ill or have a car accident you went have the healthcare available to you. So this is something that impacts on everyone. It’s about looking out for each other rather than protecting made up liberties at the cost of others. At no point has anyone been fighting for the right to stand near someone and cough. Even without covid that’s poor behaviour.[/quote]
And about assessing risk

Both of you shielding - you go at a very quiet time!

@NikeDeLaSwoosh

YABU

If you are the vulnerable ones, then you need to go somewhere remove where there are fewer people.

It’s really entitled to expect healthy people to give up even more of their liberty for someone making no effort at all to protect themselves.

Millions and millions of people have lost literally everything in an attempt to keep you ‘safe’. There needs to be at least some effort made from your side too.

OP is making an effort to protect herself. She is just trying to get a minimal amount of fresh air and exercise for God’s sake. And no, ‘healthy’ people have not lost everything to protect the vulnerable, they have also been protecting themselves for the society wide implications of exponential growth of this virus.

What a selfish and entitled attitude you have. You obviously find it very easy to ‘other’ the people you see as having any physical problems. It’s verging on a Nazi eugenics.

You maybe haven’t realised that many people working to keep you safe and to keep society running as best it can are themselves vulnerable.

shouting is the worst way to spread any virus
wear a mask if you are so worried,
it is unlikely to be transmitted just be passing people

* There's 140,000 miles of footpaths in England and Wales, I don't believe you can't find one that's not busy.*
If you know any in the Manchester area feel free to tell me smile

Op. YOU are the one shielding
So YOU do your research

I do think it isn’t worth shouting at people though, best to just get out of the situation with as little hassle (and respiratory projection) as possible.

@m0therofdragons sorry to hear that your cousin caught it and that you're in the thick of it at work.

Out of interest, was your cousin spending a sustained period of time with the same people and working together? I would think that is quite different in terms of risk from waking past someone for a matter of seconds.

I've also had it and think I caught it in a supermarket before people were wearing masks or social distancing. I was actually pretty sick and still have lingering symptoms months later so know how awful it can be, but I personally don't see the point getting overly anxious about something like going for a walk.

@m0therofdragons

My cousin caught the virus outside - everyone on the shoot he was on caught it. They thought they had been careful but maybe the new strain is more contagious outside?

I take the virus seriously as I spent yesterday planning to change theatre into additional icu capacity because the beds are all full in icu. Hospitals are genuinely reaching capacity and if we don’t slow the spread, doctors may have to choose who gets an icu bed and who doesn’t. No doctor wants to do that or live with that!

An outside gathering where people spend time together is not the same as people momentarily passing each other on a footpath or pavement, is it?

I take the virus seriously, but am not worried about catching it from someone on a footpath or pavement, unless they lick my face in passing or something.

[quote m0therofdragons]@NikeDeLaSwoosh how is moving to the side giving up your liberty?

If op and her mum catch covid then they’re likely to take up a hospital bed each for a length of time. Then, if you fall ill or have a car accident you went have the healthcare available to you. So this is something that impacts on everyone. It’s about looking out for each other rather than protecting made up liberties at the cost of others. At no point has anyone been fighting for the right to stand near someone and cough. Even without covid that’s poor behaviour.[/quote]
Op and her mum can make the choice not to take up that hospital bed though.

Your argument is just a non-sequitur.

...and it is very troubling that you don’t seem to understand the fundamental change that has taken place in the relationship between the individual and the state.

So glad there are all these scientists on mumsnet who know that it doesn’t spread outside! If the new variant is so much more transmissible then how do we know it’s not better at spreading outside?

Everywhere is so busy at the moment. Going for a walk is one of the few things people can do.

I’m a runner and can’t stand having to dodge around hoards of people. I run at 6am and barely see a soul and if the tide times work for me I run on the beach, miles away from anyone. Granted, not everyone has that luxury, but it might be worth looking into changing your location to somewhere less busy or maybe go out earlier or later?

Meh - you live somewhere busy - same as me ! I’m on London - there’s people everywhere all the time - when I walk out my door the high street is rammed, the parks are busy! I don’t think there’s much you can do about it - there’s not much places for people to go/things for people to do - so the park is usually super busy right now.

I’m 7months pregnant so I totally get not wanting to be too close to others etc - but I also need my walks and to get out and about!
I think you are expecting too much from others though - most people aren’t gonna be polite and keep their distance unfortunately!

You are outside so the risk isn’t too high...

I tend to just go for my walks now very early - 7/8am before it’s busy! Or week day evenings I go for walks around the neighbourhood instead of the park - tends to be less people!

@thirstyformore

What *@MeowMeowLikeACow* said. As a runner I try to be as considerate as possible.

Favourite one was when I was running on the pavement towards a couple who were taking up all the space. Out of courtesy I ran onto the road to get round then. And got beeped by a car who had to move ever so slightly out to get round me. Can't win

DH was yelled at by a woman walking incredibly slowly up a hill with a wheely trolley, taking up the entire pavement, because he squeezed past instead of vaulting the railings and running down the dual carriageway. Some people just are not reasonable 🤷‍♀️

It is a difficult one - as I understand it the risk of momentarily passing by someone is minimal, as it's just a moment and any particles have the whole atmosphere around to disperse into, but I can imagine it feels different if you are medically vulnerable.

A man not even on the same path yelled 'SINGLE FILE PLEASE' at DH jogging with our kids the other day even though there was no one near them and DH would always get them to move to one side if someone is passing, so people can be a bit overzealous sometimes.

I think people shouldn't 'hover' close to others and ideally move at least a bit out of the way when passing, but people shouldn't be having a go at people for just passing nearby (not directed at you OP, you are talking about the former and I get that!)

@Inkpaperstars

It’s not me doing the ‘othering’ though, it’s the virus.

I know the frothers like to advance the argument that we are all at risk from the virus, but it simply isn’t the case. The average age of a Covid death is greater than the average life span of a human. Furthermore, only 377 healthy people under 60 have died in the UK.

Also, eugenics doesn’t mean what you think it means.

@Hicksville21

So glad there are all these scientists on mumsnet who know that it doesn’t spread outside! If the new variant is so much more transmissible then how do we know it’s not better at spreading outside?

Well, although personally I am not worried about catching it from a person who walks past me for a few seconds, I did hear something on the radio this morning about the possibility of mask wearing outdoors being made mandatory, so you may have a point.

Oh god,get a grip

[quote NikeDeLaSwoosh]@Inkpaperstars

It’s not me doing the ‘othering’ though, it’s the virus.

I know the frothers like to advance the argument that we are all at risk from the virus, but it simply isn’t the case. The average age of a Covid death is greater than the average life span of a human. Furthermore, only 377 healthy people under 60 have died in the UK.

Also, eugenics doesn’t mean what you think it means.[/quote]
I wish people would stop bandying this figure about as if it proves something. Having underlying health conditions does not mean you are not "healthy" or that you do not have a normal life expectancy or that your life is somehow worth less than other people's.

You are VERY unlikely to catch Covid outside with people passing you very quickly. Please do a search for more authoritative sources than me to have this explained to you and then stop worrying.

There are nice ways of asking people to give you space. A little old lady in front of me in a queue was shouted at by the man in front of her. There was no need to be so rude.

Why did you shout? Why be so rude? They might not know that you had been bothered by so many other people.

If you are both so vulnerable why are you going to busy places?

If they make mask wearing outside mandatory that will take all the virus shedding joggers off the streets. I currently wear a snood and pull it over my face when I pass someone, but there's no way I can run with it on the whole time. I know a doctor ran 22 miles with one on to make the point that you could, but it's pretty unpleasant.

Also this time of year I wouldn't have thought there was much point wearing masks outside as it's so damp most of the time. I'd wear one moving shop to shop or waiting in a queue etc but would definitely prefer not outside generally.

" I did hear something on the radio this morning about the possibility of mask wearing outdoors being made mandatory, so you may have a point."

Masks are compulsory outside where I live. It's just to make a point and to be seen to be doing something. Eminent virologists have said that it's pointless.
I do agree with it in very busy places like a bus stop or a very busy street, but making us wear them when going for a walk in the park is just posturing.
Today, I was jogging and luckily joggers are exempt. I'm no less infectious when jogging of course.