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Schools open or shut?

162 replies

Andrea87 · 31/12/2020 09:13

Should schools stay open?
A tricky one to answer. I have to add I have an interest in shutting them as I am a teacher who had to give up my job in the summer because I couldn’t risk bringing the virus home to a family , so I have spent this time creating an online course for teaching parents how to teach reading plus become an online tutor so I would do better personally if schools were shut plus I have lots of teacher friends who would be safer if they don‘t go to work.
On the other hand I know how challenging it is for parents who are working, trying to keep their job in these difficult times, plus home tutoring their children and the online educational support has been ranging from excellent to some schools doing very little in lockdown. Such a wide response by schools in terms of what they provided at home, it amazed me.
Then there is the important social aspect of children missing out even if they were home educated with excellent support from school and parents.
It is not an easy answer. I live in an area where the virus has been prevalent and know about 3 primary schools and none of them seem to have had the transmitted at school, so it seems primary schools have been safe.
Primary children seem safe. What about the teachers?
Having said that I know teachers who say they do not feel at school and then go to large shopping centres for non essential shopping which surprises me.
So what can happen to keep adults in schools safe and parents the opportunity to continue to work but also keep educating children?
So that teachers like I don’t have to make that difficult decision and leave teaching ( believe me it was hard , I loved my job of 20+ years and miss it dreadfully) maybe the government could furlough teachers who are in the high risk category or live with people in that category and have supply teachers cover their classes. As said children seem to be safe. This would make it safer.
However it is not an easy decision.
Stay safe everyone.

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TheBuffster · 31/12/2020 19:20

Windows open?! It's flipping January. My husband is a teacher and no Sun style parties for him. It's been fairly obvious to us that schools spread it, even when they were saying kids were magically exempt. DH worked incredibly hard throughout, missing lots of ds first year as moving learning online meant 7 am -9pm days so all the haters can do one.
We'd rather the schools stayed open because online learning is ridiculously time consuming but know it's obviously spreading the virus more. We're tier 4 so went from seeing a bubble of 60 kids, to seeing no-one over Xmas, back to 60 again.
Seriously, what's with all the teacher hate!? We've been working throughout and just get the hate.

lurchersrule · 31/12/2020 19:23

65 is no age these days as you well know. I mean I'd see your point to an extent if it was a simple either or situation, but there is so much that could have been done to protect the vulnerable AND do better for younger people and the economy, but we have been saddled with this shit government so...

3orangekissesfromkazan · 31/12/2020 19:24

I know at least 3 staff at my school who are suffering from Long Covid. Two in their early 40's and one just turned 50.

CraftyGin · 31/12/2020 19:24

Why are people surprised that the schools are not physically open for the next two weeks (and possibly beyond)?

I’ve been preparing for this all last term (and it was a killer).

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 31/12/2020 19:25

@formerbabe

Open

Children have given up enough.

I still say and I stand by it...if this virus killed children at the same rate as it killed older people, older people wouldn't be willing to make the sacrifices children have.

Hmm I really think they would do
inquietant · 31/12/2020 19:28

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at 65 being classed very old when retirement age is 67 Hmm

FFS. 65 is not old, those people are valued and loved and if you think they are expendable you need to go back to the beginning and think again because you have got it wrong.

You might not value the people in your life, or even your own life, but don't push that soullessness onto the rest of us.

CallmeAngelGabriel · 31/12/2020 19:29

Isn't it interesting how much people give away about themselves and their character without realising it.

@formerbabe, I don't want to live in your world.

inquietant · 31/12/2020 19:32

We now expect to live closer to 100 with the end years being invariably ghastly.

This is not true, many live well and happily in their 70s and 80s.

You may want to die before you need to, but why should others?

I think some don't know the worth of a human life.

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2020 19:33

65+ year olds wouldn’t make sacrifices for kids, have ghastly lives and their deaths don’t matter.

Why do I get the feeling that the actual problem is that the poster in question isn’t willing to make any sacrifices for anyone else, but particularly older people?

sherrystrull · 31/12/2020 19:34

@fallfallfall

All schools need to offer a variety of learning platforms. Online, in person and group. The options need to be available equally to everyone. Needs to be a national program.
What do you mean by in person and group?
Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 31/12/2020 19:34

@CallmeAngelGabriel

"Children have given up enough."

What, exactly, do you believe they've given up? Because all those I know (hundreds) are having a fine old time.

To be fair there are a lot that are struggling with online lessons. My year 10 loves school but after 3 weeks of online lessons before Christmas he is fatigued. Now we are probably off until February at least I am worried.
CraftyGin · 31/12/2020 19:35

@inquietant

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at 65 being classed very old when retirement age is 67 Hmm

FFS. 65 is not old, those people are valued and loved and if you think they are expendable you need to go back to the beginning and think again because you have got it wrong.

You might not value the people in your life, or even your own life, but don't push that soullessness onto the rest of us.

Teachers’ Pensions encourage you to retire at 60.
noblegiraffe · 31/12/2020 19:35

Y10s who were in school and not doing online lessons were pretty fatigued by Christmas too.

CraftyGin · 31/12/2020 19:37

@noblegiraffe

Y10s who were in school and not doing online lessons were pretty fatigued by Christmas too.
That is normal. Step up to GCSE etc.
formerbabe · 31/12/2020 19:39

The thing is if they shut schools, I don't trust them to reopen them. I never thought that when they closed in March, my dc wouldn't be back until September. If they shut them now, I have zero faith they'd even reopen them this school year.

3orangekissesfromkazan · 31/12/2020 19:40

They're not just shutting schools for shits and giggles you know Hmm

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2020 19:41

The thing is if they shut schools, I don't trust them to reopen them.

You mean if it’s so unsafe that they need to be shut then you can’t envisage it being safe enough for them to re-open?

Best get petitioning your MP to implement effective safety measures then?

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 31/12/2020 19:41

@formerbabe

The fact you think it's disgusting just shows how desensitized to death we have all become. Three score years plus ten was previously accepted to be a good innings. We now expect to live closer to 100 with the end years being invariably ghastly. I'm not sure it's hugely better.
I agree with you that no way do I want to live to 90 or 100. What with all the unpleasantness that could entail.

However seriously at 65 and 70 people are often still working and living for filling lifes. You know this right.

I can only presume you are having fun winding people up or 20 years old and very daft.

inquietant · 31/12/2020 19:41

Teachers’ Pensions encourage you to retire at 60.

So what, state pension age is 67 currently. Not everyone is a teacher Hmm

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2020 19:42

I have zero faith they'd even reopen them this school year.

You have zero faith in the vaccination programme?

formerbabe · 31/12/2020 19:47

I supported the initial closure of schools...It was absolutely ridiculous however that children didn't return until September. Why couldn't they have gone back in June when infection rates were falling?

formerbabe · 31/12/2020 19:49

@noblegiraffe

I have zero faith they'd even reopen them this school year.

You have zero faith in the vaccination programme?

What criteria will be used to allow them to reopen? Zero covid? Everyone vaccinated?
Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 31/12/2020 19:50

@CraftyGin

Why are people surprised that the schools are not physically open for the next two weeks (and possibly beyond)?

I’ve been preparing for this all last term (and it was a killer).

I think because in some areas schools have hardly been affected at all. So it has come as a surprise to haveit the same restrictions as everyone else.

I think those of us in high risk areas were expecting this.

Also being blinkered is a mental health survival thing.

TheBuffster · 31/12/2020 19:51

Teachers pensions do not encourage retirement at 60. Not for many years now.
Most of my colleagues are 50-65
One or two TAs who are definitely older (aTA pension you'd be able to retire around age 250).
Really wish people who were educated decades ago would stop making statements about teaching based on their own schooldays.
I mean, my dad's guided reading was 1:1 with the teacher smoking a fag. The rest of the class did silent reading.
Guided reading nowadays is a targeted focus group, sats style follow up questions and planning your tas intervention group. Every effing day.
Teaching has changed. Come join us if you think you can do better. Plenty of vacancies. Hmmm I wonder why?

sherrystrull · 31/12/2020 19:52

My teacher pension doesn't start until 67.