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Schools open or shut?

162 replies

Andrea87 · 31/12/2020 09:13

Should schools stay open?
A tricky one to answer. I have to add I have an interest in shutting them as I am a teacher who had to give up my job in the summer because I couldn’t risk bringing the virus home to a family , so I have spent this time creating an online course for teaching parents how to teach reading plus become an online tutor so I would do better personally if schools were shut plus I have lots of teacher friends who would be safer if they don‘t go to work.
On the other hand I know how challenging it is for parents who are working, trying to keep their job in these difficult times, plus home tutoring their children and the online educational support has been ranging from excellent to some schools doing very little in lockdown. Such a wide response by schools in terms of what they provided at home, it amazed me.
Then there is the important social aspect of children missing out even if they were home educated with excellent support from school and parents.
It is not an easy answer. I live in an area where the virus has been prevalent and know about 3 primary schools and none of them seem to have had the transmitted at school, so it seems primary schools have been safe.
Primary children seem safe. What about the teachers?
Having said that I know teachers who say they do not feel at school and then go to large shopping centres for non essential shopping which surprises me.
So what can happen to keep adults in schools safe and parents the opportunity to continue to work but also keep educating children?
So that teachers like I don’t have to make that difficult decision and leave teaching ( believe me it was hard , I loved my job of 20+ years and miss it dreadfully) maybe the government could furlough teachers who are in the high risk category or live with people in that category and have supply teachers cover their classes. As said children seem to be safe. This would make it safer.
However it is not an easy decision.
Stay safe everyone.

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EssentialHummus · 31/12/2020 10:26

Shut. New strain, cases climbing, hospitals hitting breaking point, effects of Christmas socialising about to take effect... shut all schools for two weeks rather than dither and close them down the line when the virus has had more of a chance to spread.

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2020 10:30

This isn't twitter, Andrea, you don't need to @ all.

If you think schools are safe, your local secondary will be looking for volunteers to help with mass testing.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/12/2020 10:33

It's really difficult. For selfish reasons I'm glad primaries are staying open as otherwise I can't work. I can understand the logic of keeping them closed in the very high risk areas though. I prefer to see it done on a case by case basis.

I am in tier 4 but our rates are only 168 per 100k so vastly different from some of the SE areas.

Andrea87 · 31/12/2020 10:34

noblegiraffe Thanks for the @ tip , I am new to this.

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SmileEachDay · 31/12/2020 10:47

Andrea

If you are genuinely new to MN, you might want to search a few old threads where posters innocently ask “should schools be open” and the result is 40 pages of people explaining in microscopic detail why teachers are shit.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 31/12/2020 10:47

Shut them all until half term and then review based on cases, figures and vaccine roll out.

The NHS, health and lives are more important than those needing childcare.

Cam2020 · 31/12/2020 10:53

I can't see how we can get the numbers under control without shutting everything. What happened to the circuit break. Two week full lockdown idea?

sherrystrull · 31/12/2020 10:54

@ivfbeenbusy

Primary should stay open. Every primary teacher I know has been splashed all over social media going out, meeting family etc so can hardly then say with any certainly that they caught the virus from a pupil
None of the school staff I know have done this.

And if they are in tiers that allow this I don't why they can't. Should they not be allowed a life outside school?

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 31/12/2020 10:55

Open in areas of low cases and closed in areas like mine with high cases. Though I think it should come down to individual schools making the choice depending on their situation really.

All schools that are to open shouldn't go back until 18th really. I think everywhere needs a fire breaker after new years. Just in case people behave like prats.

Some areas that are currently expecting to open definitely won't. People know this and it just complicates things not warning parents now.

ridl14 · 31/12/2020 10:57

As a teacher, I support secondary schools going online for the first couple of weeks, except to vulnerable and key worker children. I'd then support a half-in, half-out rota system where different year groups are in every other week, keeping them in their bubbles but reducing contact at school.

Schools are vital for children's education, mental health, physical exertion, social skills and for their parents' or guardians' ability to work, whether from home or not, but even with the greatest care going into risk assessments and bubbling at school, children do not socially distance.

We spend the time in between classes constantly telling children to stay apart, stop touching each other, wear masks properly etc but even after months of reinforcement, positive cases among staff and pupils and numerous self isolations, the virus is a joke to a good number of students, and these are just extra rules to rebel against.

As important as schools are, we need to do something to limit the spread before the NHS gets overwhelmed. As much as colleagues want to be back in the classroom (many of us having worked over the holidays, and who will be going into school full time even just to teach online), I'd rather this for a short period than have outbreaks interrupt a greater chunk of children's learning, or not to have this under greater control by the time of the assessments.

Above all, it's exam years' learning that needs to be prioritised during this time.

GuyFawkesDay · 31/12/2020 11:01

Prioritising vaccination is key I think.

But remember, immunity takes 3 week after the jab to get going.

This is not a short term fix. I'd shut schools and have full lockdown short sharp style til Feb half term Tbh, prioritise vaccination nationwide. Do teachers and other key workers like supermarket staff asap.

Whatever way you cut it, it sucks.

FrippEnos · 31/12/2020 11:04

ridl14

Above all, it's exam years' learning that needs to be prioritised during this time.

And yet the guidance from our glorious leaders is not doing this

The new. new, new guidance says that not only will remote learning for yr 11 be prioritised but so will the remote learning for yrs 7 - 10 and 13

This is very different from the original only exam yrs will be getting remote learning for the first week.

Some fuckers at the DfE and a certain minister needs firing.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 31/12/2020 11:04

[quote Andrea87]@allnoblegiraffe i quit my job in the summer term when we did not know about safety at school, how it was going to work out and did not have the hindsight we have now so that decision was based on the news. Now we know more.[/quote]
HmmConfused

lljkk · 31/12/2020 11:06

Every primary teacher I know has been splashed all over social media going out, meeting family etc

For the millionth time I am astounded by the lack of guile among British people. If breaking rules or pushing boundaries, why let this be widely advertised & well-documented. How stupid are that poster's friends. Moreover, since that poster obviously dislikes the behaviour, why haven't you muted/blocked/unfriended/unfollowed them? What is the value in seeing loads of behaviour you dislike?

NaughtipussMaximus · 31/12/2020 11:06

@SmileEachDay

You realise that this will just become yer another thread where posters slag off schools and teachers? I’m sure you’ve read the eleventy million other threads that have done this over the past few months.

I give it 10 posts before someone generalises about teachers during the last lockdown.

Don’t forget all the posts piling on parents who are concerned about their children’s mental health, education and socialisation, implying they’re stupid, selfish, shitty parents who should have foreseen a pandemic when making career choices ten years ago.
borntohula · 31/12/2020 11:10

Open please, my 8yo is autistic and his and everyone else's nerves are shot to shit when he's at home 24/7.

Baws · 31/12/2020 11:47

Definitely should be closed until February half term with all teachers vaccinated by then. This is a shit situation for everyone’s mental health. The government do not care about anyone’s mental health. I do agree that there should be some sort of provision for vulnerable kids though. The teacher bashers will be on in a minute to say we are all lazy and should just get on with it. Easy for them to say when they’re sat at home not having to be in close contact with 100s of different kids each day!

Whammyyammy · 31/12/2020 11:50

Brew made, biscuits ready, this thread shall be interesting

justanotherneighinparadise · 31/12/2020 11:51

Another schools thread to hide.

Andrea87 · 31/12/2020 11:57

all SmileEachDay - you are right, I should have done my research before posting. It may well be the last time I start a thread.

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tookawhile · 31/12/2020 11:58

My son is about to take GCSEs. I desperately want him to be in school but I don't think it's viable with the current rate of infection. Teachers should definitely be prioritised for vaccination and definitely not asked to carry out testing of pupils. How ridiculous to expect them to put themselves at even greater risk than they already do. Would you want to go and shove a stick up hundreds of kids' noses? And how much time will it take each week (?) to test 1300 kids?

Baws · 31/12/2020 12:02

@tookawhile
Exactly! I struggled to administer a test myself! I would not want the responsibility of having to do this for kids! I’m assuming you’re in England if your child is still doing GCSEs? Hopefully these will be cancelled there as they have been elsewhere.

ChloeDecker · 31/12/2020 12:04

What’s with all these new posters starting faux naive posts about schools, with usernames that are a name followed by numbers?

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2020 12:07

Funny you should say that, Chloe, Danny Wallace (journalist/author) posted this on twitter last night.

He has noticed it there too.

twitter.com/dannywallace/status/1344382747666739203?s=21

Schools open or shut?
EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 31/12/2020 12:16

@OhBaublesBaubles

You left your job after 20yrs...so basically you took early retirement. Nice to be in that position.
Why retirement Baubles? OP mentions 2 other income streams that she has developed/is developing, She doesn't state her age, but could be early/mid 40s. Assuming that she has retired is a bit of a leap.
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