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Schools open or shut?

162 replies

Andrea87 · 31/12/2020 09:13

Should schools stay open?
A tricky one to answer. I have to add I have an interest in shutting them as I am a teacher who had to give up my job in the summer because I couldn’t risk bringing the virus home to a family , so I have spent this time creating an online course for teaching parents how to teach reading plus become an online tutor so I would do better personally if schools were shut plus I have lots of teacher friends who would be safer if they don‘t go to work.
On the other hand I know how challenging it is for parents who are working, trying to keep their job in these difficult times, plus home tutoring their children and the online educational support has been ranging from excellent to some schools doing very little in lockdown. Such a wide response by schools in terms of what they provided at home, it amazed me.
Then there is the important social aspect of children missing out even if they were home educated with excellent support from school and parents.
It is not an easy answer. I live in an area where the virus has been prevalent and know about 3 primary schools and none of them seem to have had the transmitted at school, so it seems primary schools have been safe.
Primary children seem safe. What about the teachers?
Having said that I know teachers who say they do not feel at school and then go to large shopping centres for non essential shopping which surprises me.
So what can happen to keep adults in schools safe and parents the opportunity to continue to work but also keep educating children?
So that teachers like I don’t have to make that difficult decision and leave teaching ( believe me it was hard , I loved my job of 20+ years and miss it dreadfully) maybe the government could furlough teachers who are in the high risk category or live with people in that category and have supply teachers cover their classes. As said children seem to be safe. This would make it safer.
However it is not an easy decision.
Stay safe everyone.

OP posts:
EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 31/12/2020 12:20

@blowinahoolie

I feel that they need to remain open. Not healthy to have no routine or structure to the day.
whereas schools being open and exacerbating the spread of covid to tens of thousands is perfectly healthy?
CakeRequired · 31/12/2020 12:20

On the basis of the fact that we want to lower numbers of people getting covid, schools should close. Once they open again, the numbers won't come down. We might get reductions in the next few weeks until they go back, but they will rise again after that.

You can't have numbers of covid cases go down and keep schools open essentially. You pick one.

NYNY211 · 31/12/2020 12:22

** What about the teachers?

When you ask this question most of us will answer based on our situation obviously.

Do you have a partner to fall back on OP?

inquietant · 31/12/2020 12:25

I have been saying since about March last year - I want part time school with distancing in place.

My preferences are:

  1. Part time school (rotas)
  2. Schools closed
  3. Schools open with no fines so parents can opt out
  4. Schools open as planned by the government - totally stupid at the moment
Delta1 · 31/12/2020 12:25

@ChloeDecker

What’s with all these new posters starting faux naive posts about schools, with usernames that are a name followed by numbers?
Exactly. And what's the point? If they'd spent more than 30 seconds on MN they'd know there are scores of identical threads running in parallel on and on all the bloody time!. Odd. I saw one yesterday with a loooong OP that I could swear had been copy and pasted from one I read the day before. God I can't wait for this all to be over.
EvilEdna1 · 31/12/2020 12:27

I work in a primary school in tier 4 which is staying open. The rates of positive tests, both staff and pupil were in the rise before Christmas and I fully expect that to carry on. I don't think the school will stay fully open for long. Since April I haven't done anything which felt as unsafe as being at work.

Beautifulbonnie · 31/12/2020 12:50

I home educate mine.

I couldn’t risk it anymore.

Mine have joined lots of other home educators. They do classes. Groups. They’ve caught up on the couple of years behind that they were. We have a tutor.

ChloeDecker · 31/12/2020 12:50

Thanks noble. I’ve just been reading that twitter thread and stumbled across two practically word for word threads started by bots that were also on Mumsnet yesterday and day before. I’ll report to MNHQ.

KatieB55 · 31/12/2020 13:10

I think keep primaries open for key workers, SEN & vulnerable children and everyone else online. Schools have had plenty of time to work out how to do this & many did it very successfully.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 31/12/2020 14:42

[quote noblegiraffe]Funny you should say that, Chloe, Danny Wallace (journalist/author) posted this on twitter last night.

He has noticed it there too.

twitter.com/dannywallace/status/1344382747666739203?s=21[/quote]
So if this is right who do you think is behind all this scheming?

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 31/12/2020 14:56

@KatieB55

I think keep primaries open for key workers, SEN & vulnerable children and everyone else online. Schools have had plenty of time to work out how to do this & many did it very successfully.
Only workable if there are good guidelines this time around. Give the ones that were bad a kick up the bum and make them provide a decent online education.

It will still throw under the bus a lot of unknown vulnerable kids and kids with no access to online work or help at home.

However as a society we may need to decide if that is acceptable for the greater good.

I personally don't know the answer and wouldn't like to make the decision.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 31/12/2020 14:57

@inquietant

I have been saying since about March last year - I want part time school with distancing in place.

My preferences are:

  1. Part time school (rotas)
  2. Schools closed
  3. Schools open with no fines so parents can opt out
  4. Schools open as planned by the government - totally stupid at the moment
None of the above because not thought through
CakeRequired · 31/12/2020 17:18

For those saying no to everything, what's your solution?

annevonkleve · 31/12/2020 17:29

If the government want to keep schools open, they need to vaccinate all staff

Yes I agree. It would be so easy to do, too as each school is a self-made hub that you could just go in and vaccinate everyone.

millymollymoomoo · 31/12/2020 17:32

Schools should stay open to all

CallmeAngelGabriel · 31/12/2020 17:36

@millymollymoomoo, Have you been living in a hole for the last few weeks? Have you not SEEN the news and all the data?

What the fuck is your reasoning for saying that?

year5teacher · 31/12/2020 17:48

The government haven’t done anything to actually help keep primaries open - no testing, no vaccine priority, nothing other than “open windows”. The bubbles seem to work pretty well which is great but once it’s in a bubble it has the potential to spread pretty rapidly (it doesn’t always, of course). I would prefer schools to be open but I don’t see it actually being possible if things go on as they are. Obviously according to some posters, I and all teachers must become hermits and not venture outside at all other than to go to work. 👍 Funny that only ever seems to apply to teachers.

lljkk · 31/12/2020 17:57

they need to vaccinate all staff

Cue moans from staff who don't want a vaccine and resent feeling coerced about it.


<a class="break-all" href="https://charitydigital.org.uk/topics/topics/taskforce-to-combat-digital-exclusion-among-young-people-5602" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Feb 2019</a>: "around 700,000 children and young people, aged 11 to 18, are not able to use digital devices at home and six per cent are still forced to connect to the internet via dial-up modems."
sherrystrull · 31/12/2020 17:59

@lljkk

they need to vaccinate all staff

Cue moans from staff who don't want a vaccine and resent feeling coerced about it.


<a class="break-all" href="https://charitydigital.org.uk/topics/topics/taskforce-to-combat-digital-exclusion-among-young-people-5602" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Feb 2019</a>: "around 700,000 children and young people, aged 11 to 18, are not able to use digital devices at home and six per cent are still forced to connect to the internet via dial-up modems."</div></div>
All staff in my school are desperate for vaccinations for them and their families.
spanieleyes · 31/12/2020 18:07

I don't know a member of staff at my school who WOULDNT have the vaccine if offered it. We did very well, no cases at all until the last week, then three members of staff and five children across two classes ( some siblings) tested positive. Once it's in a bubble, there is nothing to stop it spreading. Two of the members of staff are seriously ill.

Laiste · 31/12/2020 18:26

I think this will be the next (and possibly biggest) Why Didn't They Do x,y,z Till It Was Too Late.

DD is in yr2. Our village school has apx 200 pupils. There have been about 8 or 9 cases announced by email resulting in year group closures since Sept. (By some miracle yr 2 is the only one which hasn't been sent home.)

I don't want the school to shut. DD thrives there. But i think they should ...

Tough one.

Laiste · 31/12/2020 18:27

We're newly tier 4 for info.

millymollymoomoo · 31/12/2020 18:29

Yes I’ve seen the news. No evidence at all that kids are spreading it if you look at the data
Last time i looked, and at least for now, we live in a feee country where we are allowed opinions

No evidence at all either that lockdowns have had any impact

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2020 18:34

No evidence at all that kids are spreading it if you look at the data

Only if you look at it with your eyes closed.

Even the DfE have admitted that children spread the virus at the same rate as adults.

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2020 18:35

No evidence at all either that lockdowns have had any impact

Do you actually know how to read a graph?

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