Hilaria Baldwin pretended to be Spanish wtf?!

[Ballstothis148]

This is the least important and most weird story of 2020.... this woman comes up on my Instagram a lot as a suggested page. Tbh I don’t find her interesting but know she’s Spanish and is into health, having babies with Alec Baldwin and that’s pretty much it. She speaks with a Spanish accent, on her IG page she calls her children “Baldwinitos” I do remember an article saying when she speaks Spanish to her kids people confuse her for a nanny so I thought an interesting take on a European mum in the States.

Except it’s all a lie. She’s not remotely Spanish. Her wealthy Boston parents (no Spanish ancestry) now have a holiday home there.

What is wrong with people?! I include me for being too interested :) why pretend to be Spanish? In one interview she even pretended she didn’t know the word for cucumber as her English isn’t that good

Oh and she’s not even called Hilaria, she’s called Hilary. This year I swear... what an odd story!! I did know a girl who went very French after a romance there one year... maybe it’s a thing!

@IcedPurple

*So, it's all nice and good if she identifies as Spanish

How can you 'identify' as a nationality though?*

I was being sarcastic. Have you read the rest of my post?

"I couldn't give a hoot about what she looks like or who she is. She could be a Black or an Asian man AFAIMC and it wouldn't change my view. She isn't Spanish and she should not appropriate what isn't hers and publicly misrepresent herself. She's either sick or a huge attention seeker."

It is interesting to replace these words with transgenderisms. E.g. "[He] isn't [a woman] and [he] should not appropriate what isn't [his] and publicly misrepresent [himself]."

Interesting that presumably most people would say that the first quote is acceptable but the second isn't....

My point? You can't expect someone to feel the nationality of their parent if their formative years is in a different country, language and culture.

Many people do identify as such though. Look at all the Americans who 'identify' as being Irish even though their ancestors left over a century ago and they've never even been in Ireland.

You identify being British as holding a British passport. No wonder minorities in Britain are having such a tough time feeling a part of your society.

Oh, give over! Britain has done a rather better job of integrating immigrants than many European countries, though we're going way of topic here.

I said the 'usual' way of 'identifying' with a nationality is citizenship, which is an objective fact. Some may 'identify' with their ancestral nation, though you above said that isn't possible so your outrage seems a bit confused.

In any case, we're going off topic. The woman born Hilary Thomas is American, end of story.

Batshit, quite frankly.

As a language teacher who speaks several languages fluently and apparently sounds “like a real French/Spanish person”, I’m finding this hilarious! I live at the opposite end of the country to my original town and do revert to the local accent when surrounded by locals. I empathise with John Barrowman.

I remember using a fake French accent when my old au pair visited from Paris, think I was 10? Dunno how my mum didn’t kick me!

I’d love to know why this woman has lied about her heritage. So weird.

Some identity issues, probably fairly deep ones. Not that cause her to think she's Spanish when she isn't but that cause her to not know who she is

In a time where men can say they feel like women and we all have to just agree and go along with it, can’t say I see a problem. If she feels Spanish it’s literal violence to say she’s not.

I don't know who this is, but if a man can pronounce himself to be a woman, then why not? Equally nonsensical and impossible.

Watch her video on Instagram .. she wasn't pretending . I find her weird but it isn't what they said it was .

@IcedPurple

My point? You can't expect someone to feel the nationality of their parent if their formative years is in a different country, language and culture.

Many people do identify as such though. Look at all the Americans who 'identify' as being Irish even though their ancestors left over a century ago and they've never even been in Ireland.

You identify being British as holding a British passport. No wonder minorities in Britain are having such a tough time feeling a part of your society.

Oh, give over! Britain has done a rather better job of integrating immigrants than many European countries, though we're going way of topic here.

I said the 'usual' way of 'identifying' with a nationality is citizenship, which is an objective fact. Some may 'identify' with their ancestral nation, though you above said that isn't possible so your outrage seems a bit confused.

In any case, we're going off topic. The woman born Hilary Thomas is American, end of story.

You are full of justifications, from "Americans do the same" to "I said the usual way" and how "some may identify their ancestry nation". You are full of shit. Sorry.

Just because Hilaria was born in Boston, from American parents, doesn't obliviarate her growing formative years in Spain. Her perfect Castilan says she grew up in Spain. It's impossible for her to have the accent unless she grew up in Spain.

Literal violence

Indeed

I think she has unwittingly done feminists a great favour here

I disagree. Authenticity has not gone out of the window and a lack of authenticity will eventually work its way out and affect how people get perceived.. I get that people constantly re negotiate their identity but to me there is an actual core, upon which we can add various life experiences, achievements, ideologies etc. You can’t just choose to be Spanish, Indian, Jewish etc. Or if you do, you need to acknowledge that it wasn’t your point of departure.

You do not need to be authentically another gender to be able choose to be that gender. And you do not have to acknowledge your ‘point of departure’, indeed to insist you should could be argued to be transphobic.

It is interesting to replace these words with transgenderisms. E.g. "[He] isn't [a woman] and [he] should not appropriate what isn't [his] and publicly misrepresent [himself

Tbh I don't care how people dress or present themselves. If a man dresses as a woman, presents as a woman, no problem. If he starts appropriating women's rights, demanding use of their spaces, then I have a massive problem. The line is absolutely drawn when people start to cause harm to others. Hilaria is not causing harm to other people. She's not putting women and children at risk of harm or sexual assault. She's not taking jobs shortlisted for Spanish people. She has said she was born in Boston. It's quite easy to work out who she is if people are really that interested.

Its just because I am totally bored, but I'm kind of gripped by this whole thing!

Anyway, yes, we are in a society where people are who they say they are, acceptance without exception, you are whatever you identify as - so if Hilary Thomas, born in America to American parents, identifies as Spanish, then she is Spanish. And what's more, she can tell other people born and raised in Spain to Spanish parents that they are Spanish ING wrong and that she is much more Spanish than them, and that being Spanish is nothing to do with being born in Spain or having Spanish heritage.

Thats how it goes now isn't it?

Just because Hilaria was born in Boston, from American parents, doesn't obliviarate her growing formative years in Spain. Her perfect Castilan says she grew up in Spain. It's impossible for her to have the accent unless she grew up in Spain.

There's zero evidence she grew up in Spain and a lot of evidence to the contrary. At most she went on holiday there. I've not seen any clips of her speaking Spanish at length but maybe she's just good at accents?

I've just finished watching 8 seasons of House and Hugh Laurie's American accent is brilliant considering his natural speaking voice is posh British.

She's not taking jobs shortlisted for Spanish people.

She will get paid for all those covers and spreads in the Spanish/Latin press. Many of her influencer endorsements and freebies will have come from her identity as a prominent Latina woman. If she hadn't lied those things would go to actual Latina women who are trying to build a profile.

There are worse things in the world but it's still pretty shitty to misappropriate oneself for gain.

To those who say that she speaks Spanish without an accent and therefore must have grown up in Spain, not necessarily true.

My SIL’s husband is German. Moved to Scotland in mid 20s around 15 years ago. He now speaks with such a Scottish accent that he sounds native. You wouldn’t know he was German unless he told you / knew his name.

I was the one who pointed it out to DH when I first met the guy - being from London and with immigrant parents, first generation immigrants always have a bit of an accent, no matter how fluent their English or how many years they’ve been here. Yet the guy has a strong Scottish accent and pretends to be Scottish.

People can fake an accent if they’re desperate to.

Alondra

IcedPurple
My point? You can't expect someone to feel the nationality of their parent if their formative years is in a different country, language and culture.

Many people do identify as such though. Look at all the Americans who 'identify' as being Irish even though their ancestors left over a century ago and they've never even been in Ireland.

You identify being British as holding a British passport. No wonder minorities in Britain are having such a tough time feeling a part of your society.

Oh, give over! Britain has done a rather better job of integrating immigrants than many European countries, though we're going way of topic here.

I said the 'usual' way of 'identifying' with a nationality is citizenship, which is an objective fact. Some may 'identify' with their ancestral nation, though you above said that isn't possible so your outrage seems a bit confused.

In any case, we're going off topic. The woman born Hilary Thomas is American, end of story.
You are full of justifications, from "Americans do the same" to "I said the usual way" and how "some may identify their ancestry nation". You are full of shit. Sorry.

Just because Hilaria was born in Boston, from American parents, doesn't obliviarate her growing formative years in Spain. Her perfect Castilan says she grew up in Spain. It's impossible for her to have the accent unless she grew up in Spain

But she didn’t go up in Spain, so it’s not impossible for her to have that accent is it?
How bizarre.

crazy, lying, attention seeking fruitloop.

Bet her family is so embarrassed

Many of her influencer endorsements and freebies will have come from her identity as a prominent Latina woman.

Ok, well I can take that as a fair point.

I just watched a video of her speaking Spanish and her accent is seriously on point. So if she isn't bilingual and is just faking it (in her insta video she said she was raised bilingual), then fair play to her on getting the accent down so well because 99.999% of people cannot do that in a second language.

why are you so invested in the life of someone you've never met, who is apparently a "celebrity" not because of anything she has done, but who she is in a relationship with?

I just watched a video of her speaking Spanish and her accent is seriously on point

Yes I thought this.

Maybe she had a succession of Spanish nannies and was brought up bilingual in Boston...

@EveryDayIsADuvetDay

why are you so invested in the life of someone you've never met, who is apparently a "celebrity" not because of anything she has done, but who she is in a relationship with?

Because it's between Xmas and New Year, we can't go anywhere and all the other news is about Brexit and COVID.

It's a bit like the whole Wagatha Christie thing, a welcome and bizarre distraction.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay

why are you so invested in the life of someone you've never met, who is apparently a "celebrity" not because of anything she has done, but who she is in a relationship with

She’s not just famous because of Alec anymore, she’s a big lifestyle influencer who pays for PR, and articles in the press. She has been actively pursuing making herself famous for a good few years now.