To expect dog walkers to keep their giant dogs on leash around other peiple

[Thewithesarehere]

I am still quite sick after seeing a dog, nearly my DC’s size, running after my DC knocking them to the ground and running over them.
DC is covered in mud. I was taking a picture of them running to me and it happened in a flash. I shouted at the dog owner who something like put your own children on leash.
Why the hell people don’t keep such huge dogs and then let them off leash in a public park around children? DV is covered in mud, shivering and complaining that their leg hurts where it hit a rock and that they are scared of dogs. I wish I had done more but don’t know what else I could have done.
AIBU in feeling bloody furious?

This thread was a lot haha. I haven't read all the posts obviously but I was with the OP at the beginning and then... Well. Maybe some camomile tea?

@op The stats support the current laws and legislation being actually implemented. But I have no idea how under funded councils and police forces will do it.

My dogs personal stats so far are zero complaints. So thats all I care about.

But I'm frustrated by entitled owners who take no responsibility for aggressive or out of control dogs
But we all agree on this. Where we disagree is that OP wants all dogs to be considered as dangerous and therefore treated like pests to only be tolerated when all their freedom has been removed.

That's where the disagreement lays.

@dontdisturbmenow

But I'm frustrated by entitled owners who take no responsibility for aggressive or out of control dogs But we all agree on this. Where we disagree is that OP wants all dogs to be considered as dangerous and therefore treated like pests to only be tolerated when all their freedom has been removed.

That's where the disagreement lays.

So you are saying that the countries that have leash laws treat dogs like pests? Someone gave an example of their council (Australia), a developed country. Your pet ain’t my problem. Dogs should be on leads in public spaces.

So you are saying that the countries that have leash laws treat dogs like pests?
Absolutely!

BillyCongo
None of what you describe is someone who is apparently incapable of going through life without evil dogs ruining life.

It sounds like you live rurally, have livestock and have the misfortune of seeing first hand the consequences of poor ownership.

What's also clear from your post is your very reasonable stance on dogs.

This is unlike the hysterical and ridiculous posts throughout this thread another similar ones. The majority of people (dog owners and not) agree that dogs shouldn't be approaching people, shouldn't be worrying animals etc. There's just a vocal group of people that think that because they don't like dogs the world should cater to their preferences, and then anyone disagrees gets accused of being an apologist for dog attacks or feral dogs or some other overly emotive claim.

@annevonkleve

I will continue to legally walk my well trained, fully recallable dog off lead 3 times a day as normal on my local fields. I just think it is mad that people think he should be on a lead just because of the idiot few

No dog is fully recallable. Except for perhaps guide dogs and police dogs.

And even then, even the loveliest gentlest dog can lose it in a situation they've not encountered before.

No dog is is totally recallable what bollocks of course they are, that’s what training is for.

@OP you're literally like a broken record. You have had many many many posters tell you why off lead areas only wouldn't work. Fuck me you're so tiring.

There are many countries in which dogs do become pests, spain for example has packs of feral dogs.
Leash laws are away to stop domestic dogs turning into pests

No dog is is totally recallable what bollocks of course they are, that’s what training is for.

Yes because it’s your precious.

@BillyCongo
I give it usually about three minutes before one of these posters appears and starts to minimise all these personal experiences and incidents by telling us how it is just a few bad owners.
Considering the total number of posts like yours and the other threads, it’s statistically impossible to ignore and combined with the stats someone posted upthread of the huge rise in incidents like yours, there is an urgent need to do something.
However, this quite small, militant and dogsplaining lot wouldn’t see us anything other than unreasonable and will keep gaslighting you into thinking you are imagining stuff really.
I strongly recommend you print out the U.K. someone posted upthread regarding farmers. You have a right to defend your sheep (as per the law, you can shoot a dog if if it’s ‘worrying’ you) and your horses.
If you print it out and post it in visible places around your area, it might actually work as deterrent in itself. You will be perfectly within your legal rights to do it.

@yoho I have never heard anything as ridiculous in my life 🤣

@op you are the militant one. You are just ignoring what people are saying because it doesn't fit with your batshit ideology!

@Thewithesarehere sorry but the police and dog warden would laugh and I know this because I know my own dog warden and he would tell you to see it as it is an accident. Police and dog warden would only get involved if you were bitten or your child. Not accidentally knocked over.

You have no clues what is classed as aggressive and this wasn’t it.

@Yohoheaveho

There are many countries in which dogs do become pests, spain for example has packs of feral dogs. Leash laws are away to stop domestic dogs turning into pests

A lot of Spain dog problems are due to dogs being used for hunting then disgauarded by people when the season is over, the dog isn't as effective at hunting or gets injured. It's not just down to ferral dogs it's deliberate by people (hardly the dogs fault!) hence why there are a few Spanish rescue charities which rehome all over Europe including the UK.

Dogsplaining
🤭
You're right though, it's a thing!
this is now in the lexicon✔️

@Yohoheaveho

Dogsplaining 🤭 You're right though, it's a thing! this is now in the lexicon✔️

Oooh brilliant!

I’m precious
.hahahahahahahahahahaha
No I’m seriously not but you don’t care you just want all dogs on leads regardless of who the owners are.

There are many countries in which dogs do become pests, spain for example has packs of feral dogs
Spain has a feral dog problem because there is a culture there of not neutering dogs and of dumping dogs that are no longer of use to you, whether that be boredom and wanting a new one or no longer suitable for working.

A huge percentage of the ‘feral’ dogs in Spain are galgos (hunting dogs) that have been dumped because age means they can’t hunt like they used to or because they’ve bought as puppies and once mature don’t have enough instinct to be a good working dog.

I am extremely interested to know how requiring all dogs to be leashed in Spain would stop people dumping or killing unwanted puppies from their unspayed bitches and stop people dumping dogs (usually unneutered) because they fancy a new breed and stop hunters dumping ex working dogs - all of which is the cause of packs of feral dogs.

Come on @yoho. I'm eager for your well thought out response....

I give it usually about three minutes before one of these posters appears and starts to minimise all these personal experiences and incidents by telling us how it is just a few bad owners
Oh dear me. So dog owners who agree that there are irresponsible owners are unreasonable now.

And pointing out it's a minority is apparently minimising it.

Estimates suggest there are more than 10 million pet dogs in the UK. So, let's be charitable and assume that when you're suggesting it's a majority that you actually just over half. If 5.5 million dogs were genuinely out of control (as opposed to was off lead in my eyeliner and it triggered me), feral, attacking people on a regular basis, harassing people, people can't go about their life because of dogs etc, do you not think the general population would be up in arms?
To go down the route that comes up on here thay responsible owners are a tiny minority (especially if to be a responsible owner you need to run long distances with your dogs on a lead 🤣🤣), we'll say 10% are good and 90% are awful and irresponsible. Are you actually going to argue that there's 9 million dogs who are out of control and a threat to the general public?

Dogsplaining, gaslighting, we've already had power play. How long before we get some armchair diagnosing of narcissism from the OP.

@LolaSmiles

I give it usually about three minutes before one of these posters appears and starts to minimise all these personal experiences and incidents by telling us how it is just a few bad owners Oh dear me. So dog owners who agree that there are irresponsible owners are unreasonable now.

And pointing out it's a minority is apparently minimising it.

Estimates suggest there are more than 10 million pet dogs in the UK. So, let's be charitable and assume that when you're suggesting it's a majority that you actually just over half. If 5.5 million dogs were genuinely out of control (as opposed to was off lead in my eyeliner and it triggered me), feral, attacking people on a regular basis, harassing people, people can't go about their life because of dogs etc, do you not think the general population would be up in arms?
To go down the route that comes up on here thay responsible owners are a tiny minority (especially if to be a responsible owner you need to run long distances with your dogs on a lead 🤣🤣), we'll say 10% are good and 90% are awful and irresponsible. Are you actually going to argue that there's 9 million dogs who are out of control and a threat to the general public?

Dogsplaining, gaslighting, we've already had power play. How long before we get some armchair diagnosing of narcissism from the OP.

Please go back and read the thread. People have posted REAL statistics on the rise in incidents, from reliable resources. You won’t need to invent your own ridiculous numbers then.

LST
The number for dog ownership is a true estimate.
My other numbers were illustrative based on the OP claiming that anyone talking about a few bad owners is minimising.

The OP doesn't seem to understand (doesn't want do understand because they're so driven by their own emotions) that a rise in incidents doesn't equal the majority of dogs being feral/dangerous/out of control.

Unfortunately the OP gets a bit snippy if people don't agree with her, so likes to claim that anyone challenging her is an apologist for dog attacks and bad owners.

So for example, in 2015 it was reported that dog attacks were up 76% with children showing the biggest increase. The study reported in the guardian said that between March 2014 and February 2015 there were over 7000 admissions to hospital for dog bites. The trend is worrying, and not all bites would result in hospital admission, but when there's over 10 million dogs, is it really wrong to suggest that these dogs and owners are in the minority?
Is it minimising to suggest those figures are nowhere near the number of dogs in the country, of course not.

Oh no I know! That's what I was getting at. The op acting like your figures are the actual ones, when in reality the number is tiny.

I think I might start posting pictures of my dog off lead having fun to fill this batshit thread up!