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To expect dog walkers to keep their giant dogs on leash around other peiple

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Thewithesarehere · 27/12/2020 12:52

I am still quite sick after seeing a dog, nearly my DC’s size, running after my DC knocking them to the ground and running over them.
DC is covered in mud. I was taking a picture of them running to me and it happened in a flash. I shouted at the dog owner who something like put your own children on leash.
Why the hell people don’t keep such huge dogs and then let them off leash in a public park around children? DV is covered in mud, shivering and complaining that their leg hurts where it hit a rock and that they are scared of dogs. I wish I had done more but don’t know what else I could have done.
AIBU in feeling bloody furious?

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VinylDetective · 30/12/2020 14:58

others countries have laws that restrict off lead dogs to designated areas. That is more enforceable I would imagine.

You keep saying this. I asked you two days ago who would designate these areas, given that the most suitable are fields, country lanes, woods, etc. You still haven’t answered me or come up with any ideas about who and where they’d be enforced.

Dullardmullard · 30/12/2020 15:12

@LolaSmiles

Licences, mandatory training and off lead dogs restricted to designated areas only, all this would send a clear message that owning a dog is a serious commitment I hate to break it to you but they're not going to make the irresponsible and selfish owners magically realise a dog is a serious commitment.

We have driving licence and targeted campaigns to warn against drink driving, but some people still think they can drive after drinking lots, or they'll just have a couple, or drive the morning after still over the limit because they've not thought sensibly. Having a driving test, licence, points, driving courses, public health campaigns doesn't stop people who want to drink drive. Those of us who are responsible are responsible. Those who aren't, aren't.

This with bells on

If all brought in who adheres to the rules the responsible owner and we are the ones paying too not the arseholes you are tarring us with @Thewithesarehere

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 30/12/2020 16:31

I can't see any downside to it at all
Other than the massive downside of not being able to exercise and train your dog properly because you can't have it off-lead.

I've lived rurally for most of my life. I've never known a dog go off after deer and never come back (though I have known ill-trained dogs be a pain in the arse with them). I've never known anyone have a dog stolen when out walking. I've only ever known of one dog that ran off and never came back, and that was a small spooked Romanian rescue that should have been on-lead until its recall was sorted out and its confidence built up.

Dogs meeting other dogs almost always do much, much better if that meeting is off-lead. Responsible owners oversee their dogs' interactions. Some owners are idiots and annoy other dog owners - I've had a lot of training sessions interrupted by dogs with no recall, but I just use that as a chance to teach steadiness.

You're not going to sort out the irresponsible owners by a blanket clamp down on all dog owners.

Eckhart · 30/12/2020 17:46

I don't think it's fair to change the rules for all dog owners. Most dogs and owners are well behaved. I can't think of any other laws that have been created that stop the innocents doing something rather than punishing the offenders.

Anyway, if you create a law, the disrespectful people will often ignore it anyway, so it will have a detrimental affect on decent people but less so on offenders.

LST · 30/12/2020 18:31

@80smum. You're wrong. Oh so wrong as many people have already pointed out but you can't be arsed to read. I am not keeping my dog on his lead because of dick heads who can't control theirs. He doesnt enjoy having other dogs run up to him so even if there was a dog field on my doorstep I wouldn't take him. Hth

Frankola · 30/12/2020 19:42

I had a bullmastiff. He was 9.5 stone and classed as a "giant" breed.

He never did anything like that in his lifetime.

He was properly trained. Thats the issue here, lack of training. Not the size of the dog.

Something that used to annoy me was the total ignorance of some people towards giant breed dogs. Giant breed does not mean dangerous our vicious. It means big...

We used to get people cross the street when they saw my dog. Walking slowly on a lead. I developed a thick skin for it eventually but it did annoy me from time to time how ignorant people can be.

Draineddraineddrained · 30/12/2020 22:13

@Frankola

We used to get people cross the street when they saw my dog. Walking slowly on a lead. I developed a thick skin for it eventually but it did annoy me from time to time how ignorant people can be.

Sorry, it annoyed you that people who don't want to be near your dog (for whatever reason, not just the breed prejudice they you infer) moved themselves away from your dog???

This is such a classic illustration of the total entitlement and blindness so many dog owners exhibit. They love dogs, so everyone else should too. People who don't like dogs, don't own dogs, don't want anything to do with dogs should nevertheless be clued up on canine behaviour and the properties and personalities of various different breeds, so that they respond to the dogs of others in a way deemed appropriate by the owner. And now it seems if you don't bloody like dogs or are afraid of them it's not even acceptable to move yourself out of their path, as this is "ignorant".

Honestly beggars belief.

PortiasPlumUpduffedPudding · 30/12/2020 22:19

Well if a 9stone dog was near me I'd get away from it sharpish, I've no inclination to meet a dog that weighs more than I do thanks

Thewithesarehere · 30/12/2020 22:26

@Frankola

I had a bullmastiff. He was 9.5 stone and classed as a "giant" breed.

He never did anything like that in his lifetime.

He was properly trained. Thats the issue here, lack of training. Not the size of the dog.

Something that used to annoy me was the total ignorance of some people towards giant breed dogs. Giant breed does not mean dangerous our vicious. It means big...

We used to get people cross the street when they saw my dog. Walking slowly on a lead. I developed a thick skin for it eventually but it did annoy me from time to time how ignorant people can be.

This afternoon, my DC was the one who pointed out a huge dog to me, a few feet away from the playground fence, the fence low enough for it to jump. DC is going to be scared for I don’t know how long. I really don’t need to understand why I or my DC should pretend happy in the vicinity of an animal we consider too big for us. I have also seen numerous times dogs that are so big that there is no way the owner would be able to control them if they go rogue. This is an animal in the end. On another thread, people are advising the OP, whose house was trespassed as some random dog entered through her door where her child was playing, to change her own door! Bloody hell! The entitlement is quite astonishing.
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Thewithesarehere · 30/12/2020 22:29

There is probably no need to mention anymore that this dog was off lead too.

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Yohoheaveho · 30/12/2020 22:31

@Frankola

I had a bullmastiff. He was 9.5 stone and classed as a "giant" breed.

He never did anything like that in his lifetime.

He was properly trained. Thats the issue here, lack of training. Not the size of the dog.

Something that used to annoy me was the total ignorance of some people towards giant breed dogs. Giant breed does not mean dangerous our vicious. It means big...

We used to get people cross the street when they saw my dog. Walking slowly on a lead. I developed a thick skin for it eventually but it did annoy me from time to time how ignorant people can be.

Giant breed means it can do a giant amount of damage
Shadow21 · 30/12/2020 22:37

@Frankola

I had a bullmastiff. He was 9.5 stone and classed as a "giant" breed.

He never did anything like that in his lifetime.

He was properly trained. Thats the issue here, lack of training. Not the size of the dog.

Something that used to annoy me was the total ignorance of some people towards giant breed dogs. Giant breed does not mean dangerous our vicious. It means big...

We used to get people cross the street when they saw my dog. Walking slowly on a lead. I developed a thick skin for it eventually but it did annoy me from time to time how ignorant people can be.

I feel your pain. I’ve got a staffie so you can imagine some of the looks we get. Such a lovely breed, one of the few breeds that the British Kennel club recommend for families with children. She’s fab with children (although never left unsupervised with them), other dogs, lives with cats and a house rabbit and she is super friendly. Such a shame people judge a dog based on its breed. Every dog is an individual,
Draineddraineddrained · 30/12/2020 22:39

This whole thread is bonkers, what with the wild and wilful misinterpretation and misrepresentations, the total wandering off point and the random willy-waving and threats of violence on both sides. Seriously, bonkers.

However my two pennorth: I bloody hate dogs. I'm not afraid of them per se, I just don't like them. Not a fan of any domestic if pets really. And no your little Fido is no exception. I don't like them, I don't want them approaching me or touching me. At all. Ever.

Short of wearing a massive sign saying "I HATE DOGS" could dog owners please tell me HOW I can get this fact respected? Because it doesn't seem to matter what I do or where I go, the foul dimwitted dribbling things just won't leave me or my daughter alone. And I am aware, when a dog comes lollopping over to us with owner either nowhere in sight or feebly calling them off and being ignored, that IF it decides to hurt me or my 3yo it can and it will and there is next to bugger all I can do about it. How is it that this is considered to be acceptable?? Something those of us who don't bloody like dogs just have to accept and prepare for?

It's like catcalling twat men: why should I have to teach my daughter as she grows up how to deal with unwanted "attention" from dickhead men with no self control, rather than the dickhead men be forced to exhibit some self control? I'd like to think that, on a forum largely populated by women, the fact that it isn't the "majority" of men who behave this way doesn't in any way lessen the impact of the twats who do or make it ok; or that because some women love it and it puts a spring in their step the onus is on women to make it clear they're not interested rather than on the men NOT TO FUCKING START IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I mean what is the point of all the people saying there is no need for a rule to keep dogs on leads expect in designated areas because their dog behaves off lead? YOUR DOG ISN'T THE BLOODY ISSUE IS IT? And anyway I think this confidence in ones control over one's dog (which is, fundamentally, an animal which has instincts you, over the brow of a hill or round the bend of a path, cannot necessarily anticipate) is a bit akin to those who think the drink drive limit is a very necessary rule for bad drivers and lightweights but not for THEM, because they can handle their drink and always have complete control of the vehicle. After all they've never had an accident on the way home from the pub, have they?

Basically if your dog touches me, gets close enough to me to touch me, or whooshes past me at the much vaunted 30mph and makes me jump, I consider it to be a nuisance. If it jumps up at me or my small child, snatches food from us (happens ALL THE TIME) and either has no visible owner, owner isn't recalling them or dog is not responding to recall, I consider it a danger. And as someone who is not remotely ashamed to say I hate bloody dogs, I don't see why I should have to put up with it in public spaces designed for the use of human beings e.g. the high street, the local park, woodland footpaths etc.

I mean this is bonkers. Several dog owners, in response to OP's stick threat, have gone into graphic detail about how dangerous it would be for OP to antagonise various breeds of dog, dwelling on their size, strength, jaw power, and basically making it very clear their dogs could kill OP if they wanted to. The assumption being made is that they would only want to if OP hit them with a stick, rather than any number of reasons that might be perfectly normal behaviour for a human unfamiliar with dogs or a small child, but perceived as threatening by a dumb animal running on instinct or previous experiences the person they have just encountered knows nothing about. How is that an acceptable level of risk??

Similarly people saying their dog needs to be off lead as it needs to run much farther and faster than their owner can keep up with it - how can you possibly claim to be in control of your dog if that is the case? Unless you only let it off lead in an abandoned field, it will be out of reach and often out of sight. You can't KNOW it won't encounter another dog or human, possibly taking them by surprise given the speeds mentioned. And if they do and the interaction goes badly, you are not on hand to take control of the situation!

My mum used to keep boa constrictors. Very useful to drape around one's shoulders when answering the door to the Jehovah's Witnesses, tended to make the conversations much shorter.

Imagine if she had taken them to the local park and then released them, assuring any scandalised observer that they were very friendly, well-fed and fully trained, so there was nothing to worry about? Imagine if when one started coiling up a stranger's ankles the stranger was tutted at, told not to panic or they would provoke it, and to read up on snake behaviour (maybe even volunteer at a reptile house!) so they wouldn't have such silly reactions to perfectly innocent snake behaviour in future?

Scottishskifun · 30/12/2020 22:39

@Thewithesarehere so now your complaining about a dog off its lead on the other side of a fence?! Talk about entitlement 🙄
I could understand if the dog was in the playground but seriously dogs don't generally jump random fences for the hell of it. Some jump their own fence if they are chasing a cat but probably unlikely to be a cat in the playground.

Have you thought that your child is scared because your also fueling their anxieties?

Swaddlemeinplants · 30/12/2020 22:40

This is such a classic illustration of the total entitlement and blindness so many dog owners exhibit. They love dogs, so everyone else should too. People who don't like dogs, don't own dogs, don't want anything to do with dogs should nevertheless be clued up on canine behaviour and the properties and personalities of various different breeds, so that they respond to the dogs of others in a way deemed appropriate by the owner. And now it seems if you don't bloody like dogs or are afraid of them it's not even acceptable to move yourself out of their path, as this is "ignorant"
Honestly beggars belief
How ridiculous.
I know exactly what the poster meant, DH used to get it with his dog.
People assume that because you have a bullmastiff/Rottweiler/GSD whatever it must be a savage child killer keen to rip the throat out of any passing dog or person, so these people, instead of just calmly moving a little way away and continuing with their walk scream, shout, run and hide etc despite already being miles away.
It’s completely over the top, needless and sometimes dangerous.

I would go so far as to say that in my experience sometimes these people go so far as to prioritise themselves over their children and that really pisses me off.

Like the woman who was very, very far away from me on the other side of the road.
Saw me crossing said road with my dog and proceeded to scream and flap and her child ran into the road.
No attempt to retrieve child.
Just scream at the dog fucking miles away from you, not looking at you, just crossing the road.

Or the woman who on seeing my dog walking on the footpath a little ahead of me screamed and ran leaving her terrified child frozen in fear on the grass verge opposite the path.

Or the woman so terrified of a cat she used her frightened child as a human shield to get past it.

I am sick and tired of people who for whatever reason are scared or don’t like dogs expecting us to tip toe around, constantly having our dogs on lead or not having certain breeds.

Most of us are nice, reasonable people believe it or not.
I don’t let my dog approach people and I am always looking at body language, if I see someone who appears uncomfortable I give them more space and/or leash.
I honestly believe most dog owners to be the same.
We don’t deserve to be punished for the actions of a few and labelled entitled, selfish, stupid etc because of said few or just because some don’t like dogs.

Scottishskifun · 30/12/2020 22:46

@Draineddraineddrained thanks for the reference my dog is only run on flat beaches and flat fields to ensure she doesn't cause injury. So yes I always have sight of her and there is a difference between running her and her being off lead. She walks to heel/potters a few paces in front of me off lead and has a specific release command to run. It's called training.

Thewithesarehere · 30/12/2020 22:46

Have you thought that your child is scared because your also fueling their anxieties?
You mean the child who got run over by a dog from behind and got hurt? Yeah sure I am. Hmm
That dog was within the park, right next to the playground and where my DC was standing. And was off lead with owners too far AHEAD, meaning they were not even looking at where their dog was going.
Saw another one, off lead again, who was trying to get into the playground where there was some space between the fence and the ground. The owner called it back just as it put his body through the space and was half in.

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Shadow21 · 30/12/2020 22:47

And now it seems if you don't bloody like dogs or are afraid of them it's not even acceptable to move yourself out of their path, as this is "ignorant"

Sorry @Draineddraineddrained but breedism is a real problem in this country. I don’t expect you to know this when you’re not interested in dogs but there is an overwhelming focus on breed rather than deed. Lots of prejudice. Lots of lovely dogs that have never harmed anyone being PTS because they are deemed to be a pit bull type.

Draineddraineddrained · 30/12/2020 22:48

@Swaddlemeinplants

  • know exactly what the poster meant, DH used to get it with his dog. People assume that because you have a bullmastiff/Rottweiler/GSD whatever it must be a savage child killer keen to rip the throat out of any passing dog or person, so these people, instead of just calmly moving a little way away and continuing with their walk scream, shout, run and hide etc despite already being miles away. It’s completely over the top, needless and sometimes dangerous*

All the PP said was that it annoyed her people used to cross the road when they saw her dog coming. That in itself annoyed her. No mention at all of all the screaming, running or using children as human shields you just invented added on there. I was saying being annoyed with people for crossing the street to be away from your dog was entitled and blind. Not at all sure where all that rubbish you've just come out with comes in to it.

Thewithesarehere · 30/12/2020 22:51

My mum used to keep boa constrictors. Very useful to drape around one's shoulders when answering the door to the Jehovah's Witnesses, tended to make the conversations much shorter. Imagine if she had taken them to the local park and then released them, assuring any scandalised observer that they were very friendly, well-fed and fully trained, so there was nothing to worry about? Imagine if when one started coiling up a stranger's ankles the stranger was tutted at, told not to panic or they would provoke it, and to read up on snake behaviour (maybe even volunteer at a reptile house!) so they wouldn't have such silly reactions to perfectly innocent snake behaviour in future?
How dare you cal their child a boa constrictor!? You sound quite unhinged, you!

On of the four things that have happened to me is so outing I don’t even want to share it here. All of us caught unawares and fucking furious because our DCs were there too. Thankfully no one was injured.

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Thewithesarehere · 30/12/2020 22:52

My mum used to keep boa constrictors. Very useful to drape around one's shoulders when answering the door to the Jehovah's Witnesses, tended to make the conversations much shorter. Imagine if she had taken them to the local park and then released them, assuring any scandalised observer that they were very friendly, well-fed and fully trained, so there was nothing to worry about? Imagine if when one started coiling up a stranger's ankles the stranger was tutted at, told not to panic or they would provoke it, and to read up on snake behaviour (maybe even volunteer at a reptile house!) so they wouldn't have such silly reactions to perfectly innocent snake behaviour in future?
How dare you cal their child a boa constrictor!? You sound quite unhinged, you!

One of the four things that have happened to me is so outing I don’t even want to share it here. All of us caught unawares and fucking furious because our DCs were there too. Thankfully no one was injured.

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Draineddraineddrained · 30/12/2020 22:53

@Shadow21

Sorry @Draineddraineddrained but breedism is a real problem in this country. I don’t expect you to know this when you’re not interested in dogs but there is an overwhelming focus on breed rather than deed. Lots of prejudice. Lots of lovely dogs that have never harmed anyone being PTS because they are deemed to be a pit bull type

It may well be. As you say, don't care as don't like dogs (any of them, although I admit I am more off put by powerful looking things that I can't imagine being able to fight off if they went for my kid). And if dogs who have never done anything to anyone are being put down purely for being a certain breed then that's horrible (although does make me wonder why people keep on breeding them, if they are so at risk - after all it isn't necessary for certain breeds of dog to procreate, and if pedigree breeds it's not like it happens by accident). If however you mean that if a lab and a staffy both bite a child the staffy is more likely to be put down than the lab, surely this is to do with the relative likely harm the breed CAN do if it wants to?

Swaddlemeinplants · 30/12/2020 22:56

That dog was within the park, right next to the playground and where my DC was standing. And was off lead with owners too far AHEAD, meaning they were not even looking at where their dog was going
Oh dear god.
Not a dog near you but not interacting with you.
The horror 😱

I hope you don’t encounter me OP, my dog is regularly off lead and gasp, near people and far ahead of me..

I especially hope you don’t encounter me if DH gets his way and I’ll be walking a 15kg and an 70kg+ plus one, however will you cope?!

Saw another one, off lead again, who was trying to get into the playground where there was some space between the fence and the ground. The owner called it back just as it put his body through the space and was half in
So the owner controlled it then and stopped it being a nuisance...?

All the PP said was that it annoyed her people used to cross the road when they saw her dog coming. That in itself annoyed her. No mention at all of all the screaming, running or using children as human shields you just invented added on there
I would be very surprised if that poster hasn’t experienced that, I have and I don’t even have a ‘scary’ breed, DH definately has when he did have a ‘scary’ breed.

I was saying being annoyed with people for crossing the street to be away from your dog was entitled and blind
When it’s constant and over the top it wears you down.
Not that I would expect you to understand. Not at all sure where all that rubbish you've just come out with comes in to it
Witnessed it myself!

Yohoheaveho · 30/12/2020 22:58

this confidence in ones control over one's dog (which is, fundamentally, an animal which has instincts you, over the brow of a hill or round the bend of a path, cannot necessarily anticipate) is a bit akin to those who think the drink drive limit is a very necessary rule for bad drivers and lightweights but not for THEM, because they can handle their drink and always have complete control of the vehicle
too true!

Thewithesarehere · 30/12/2020 23:00

I hope you don’t encounter me OP, my dog is regularly off lead and gasp, near people and far ahead of me..I especially hope you don’t encounter me if DH gets his way and I’ll be walking a 15kg and an 70kg+ plus one, however will you cope?!
You only need to read the thread to find what I will do next. Smile
You sound very much like a playground bully.

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