Hunting on Boxing Day

[GreyMary23]

I've seen numerous reports about Boxing Day hunts going ahead yesterday. What the fuck? I despise hunting anyway - like most decent/sane people - but to allow it to go ahead when so many are spending Christmas alone due to covid is utterly unbelievable. Before anyone says it's because it's outdoors, so is children's sport yet my dc haven't been able to attend rugby or football training in weeks.

How on Earth was this allowed to happen?

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

Unless you're in denial or as thick as fuck you'll know that the " trail" and " faux" hunting is a cover for real ILLEGAL fox hunting where they chase and terrier men ( thick scumbag Neanderthals paid by the hunt) often dig out the Fox and they all watch whilst the hounds rip the Fox to pieces whilst alive. Often the cunt sorry hunt will cut the tail of the Fox. Smearing blood on participating children's faces seems popular.

All very well documented and thanks to the recently leaked zoom conference and emails ,it's become public knowledge and has revealed a lot about these monsters .

If you hunt you are a low life piece of shit and that is being generous. It it illegal yet the police ignore it because they hunt themselves and are in the hunts pocket if not.

They also treat their horse and hounds terribly. Often abused, left for dead and shot when no longer useful.

Defend the hunt and show everyone what vermin you are.

You are absolutely talking out your arse 😅

Why is it when people take a disliking to something they become experts in the field?

There has been leaked footage etc which is wrong & they should be punished.

However there are many hunts still in operation, they’re not all the same & what you describe is the minority.

We have a hunt kennels up the road & they follow the rules, don’t abuse the hounds & the horses.

What I love is the so called ‘antis’ that are so concerned with animal welfare, that called hounds onto roads/train tracks to video, just to prove how ‘irresponsible’ the huntsman is. Or have rammed into young children & their ponies. Even release foxes in front of the hounds to catch it on video!

I have followed the hunt so have seen this things, rather than just jumping in the bandwagon of the ‘posh, abuse the hounds/horses, our a cross of the fox on children first fox 😂’ So outdated.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Yes... Does that include the sabs that beat the shit out of a 16 year old lady who was laying a scent trail?

Or is anything sabs do acceptable and to be believed without question?

Any parent that puts their child in that position is clearly not able to make safe parenting decisions. But then some hunts are happy to break peoples necks, so I shouldn’t be shocked.

Most of the people I know who have horses are working class and scrimp and save and do extra jobs to afford their beloved horse

True for me too. And none of them have any time for the hunting types they meet or any desire to go hunting. Don't get them started on the pheasant shoots either.

Hunt does sod all in our village in terms of social events/help for the elderly too. That's mainly done by those evil incomers who may be middle class commuters but actually want to be part of village life.

If you are going to criticise hunting at lest make sure you know the difference between trail and drag hunting, the different types of dogs used and the different ways they are trained. Otherwise usually just make yourself look ignorant.
I don't hunt and never have and never would by the way. I just like facts.

@Ched1 I have never, ever known of an anti to call hounds onto a road or a railway track or do anything that would harm the hounds 🙄

Think about it, why would someone who dedicated portions of their life to prevent harm, so something as abhorrent as that? There's plenty of evidence of illegal hunting, it's just bottlenecked by the police and CPS - and we know why that is. Not a conspiracy, fact.

Truth is, some whips don't have control of their hounds and there are hounds killed or injured regularly.

The rampaging hounds - the ones out of control, don't last long, do they? They're shot and either in incinerated or fed to their pack. "One last run in the stomach of your chum"...

The number of people on this thread defending fox hunting as some quaint tradition is pretty grim to be honest.

I grew up in a hunting area and it’s a truly barbaric affair (I refuse to use the word sport as it’s no sport) and the people who did the hunting were rude entitled arseholes.

I grew up in the countryside. Hunting was rife. Almost all participants I knew were very wealthy. The arrogance of them was always breathtaking. They’d take over roads, trespass onto farmland and leave a trail of destruction behind them.

Despicable activity. Go for a hack with a couple of friends by all means, but don’t pretend that hunting is a humane event.

I’m surprised at all the posters saying it’ll be drag and didn’t you know it’s illegal?!

Thought it was common knowledge that the law only got through because there were plenty of loopholes and most hunts are still carrying on exactly as before savaging foxes and mistreating and killing horses and hounds...

I can't even read some of the posts on this thread. I can't actually believe some of the shite some of you are spouting about trail hunting. Is there honestly people out there that still believe that all the hunters are doing is following a scent. People like you are what's wrong with this country.

A lot of locals despise hunting - there are complications with landowners and tenancies and employers in the country, over issues like this.

Last year, a hunt chased a fox through someone's garden and their children were present for the hounds to shred their pet cat.

On the same day, the hounds were running amok and terrified a pony so badly it impaled itself on fencing and had to be euthanised.

Both times, no further action was taken...

The hunting community is great - you can clean boot hunt, still do your charitable bits, still check on Ethel in Rose Cottage, but you don't need to go and hunt some poor terrified animal until it either drops dead from exhaustion and shock or is ripped apart.

Don't even get me started on cubbing!

@foodlesnoodles

I’ve seen to with my own eyes? So I don’t need to think about it. It’s not always about the welfare but to prove the point. A friend of mine was smashed over the head with the a weapon because this group of dabs thought he was part of the hunt. They were arrested & sentenced.

Not saying it’s all because I understand why you would want to protest against hunts acting illegally or being cruel, or any organisation for that matter.

People always make these claims but the truth of the matter is you’ve never seen it with your own eyes, you’re just following what someone said happens that really has no clue.

They were trail hunting or drag hunting. And most hunts restricted numbers of followers this season due to covid.

It’s not illegal to hunt with a false scent. And there’s some loophole that means if foxhounds flush out a fox by accident and kill it it’s classed as accidental. It’s still legal to use dogs to flush foxes out of cover so they can be shot, or to use a bird of prey to kill them. Farmers see foxes as vermin.

I guess whoever set the trail did so in a way that prevented bottle-necks and pile ups eg avoided narrow fences, gates, banks and stuck to open fields so the followers could social distance. The only problem may have been if hounds rioted and went after a fox or other animal (usually caused by hunt sabs messing up the scent or blowing decoy horns) then the riders may have ended up in a bunch or on the roads trying to get hounds back!

All the Boxing Day meets around here were cancelled to prevent the crowds.

Given we allow animals to be equally badly Killed in abattoirs ..... I can’t see why one animal gets special treatment and outrage over another

@Blackcelebration12

The number of people on this thread defending fox hunting as some quaint tradition is pretty grim to be honest.

I grew up in a hunting area and it’s a truly barbaric affair (I refuse to use the word sport as it’s no sport) and the people who did the hunting were rude entitled arseholes.

I've noticed it before on MN, meanwhile in real life thankfully most people find it abhorrent.

I'd just like to have a conversation about it that doesn't involve all the name calling and emotional blackmail.

I know and understand all the anti stuff.

I have been physically threatened by sabs just because I lived on a country lane.

I know many who participate in wholly legal hunts, few have much money.

I know some who participate in illegal hunts.

I know the difference between the two. I wouldn't presume to say that the latter don't exist.

I know many antis will continue not shout their emotion laden certainties that legal hunting does not exist and/or does something else that is nasty and should be banned.

I'm not the one blocking a discussion....

The type of people who go on hunts won't give a shit about covid rules. Self-serving wankers.

I remember when a bunch of hunters rode through the farm I was working on with their dogs. They calmly admitted that they weren't scent hunting at all, they were after foxes

Some farmers welcome the hunt going after foxes because foxes kill a lot of poultry, lambs and damage farmers livelihoods. Unfortunately foxes kill for fun not just food, so a fox in a barn of newborn lambs is a big problem!

I thought hunts were banned

A bunch of posh twats on horseback

Must tell my mate who works at Tesco that she’s a posh twat.

I absolutely don’t agree with fox hunting, but I’m glad to see that when drag hunts are allowed near me, it really is drag, not fox hunting. Some hunts do follow the law, they’re not all arseholes.

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

Unless you're in denial or as thick as fuck you'll know that the " trail" and " faux" hunting is a cover for real ILLEGAL fox hunting where they chase and terrier men ( thick scumbag Neanderthals paid by the hunt) often dig out the Fox and they all watch whilst the hounds rip the Fox to pieces whilst alive. Often the cunt sorry hunt will cut the tail of the Fox. Smearing blood on participating children's faces seems popular.

All very well documented and thanks to the recently leaked zoom conference and emails ,it's become public knowledge and has revealed a lot about these monsters .

If you hunt you are a low life piece of shit and that is being generous. It it illegal yet the police ignore it because they hunt themselves and are in the hunts pocket if not.

They also treat their horse and hounds terribly. Often abused, left for dead and shot when no longer useful.

Defend the hunt and show everyone what vermin you are.

This 100%! They are vile scum, whatever their class, it matters not. The whole drag hunting thing is an absolute facade and they are still out there killing our wildlife with impunity. It is criminal! They are also incredibly neglectful (at best) to their hounds. All it takes is a google to find that this disgusting and vile ‘tradition’ still goes on. There are brave people out there trying to stop it in all weathers who are absolute heroes in my book. I would be out there too if I could. If you are defending this grim practice then you are vile too. And I live in the country.

@HikeForward

I remember when a bunch of hunters rode through the farm I was working on with their dogs. They calmly admitted that they weren't scent hunting at all, they were after foxes

Some farmers welcome the hunt going after foxes because foxes kill a lot of poultry, lambs and damage farmers livelihoods. Unfortunately foxes kill for fun not just food, so a fox in a barn of newborn lambs is a big problem!

‘Most’ Hunts wouldn’t just go start hunting through a farmers land without permission. By me all farms the hunt cross give permission, as it the etiquette for all.

Also if they are hunting illegally you can bet your bottom dollar they would know it was a wildlife sanctuary & wouldn’t be hunting through it (on purpose anyway)

So IMO but if a suspicious story 🙄

@Ched1 have you got footage of it? I'd be interested to know which sab group that was.

There's a lot of violence at times, it's an emotive issue. I once had threatening behaviour from a group of men whilst driving home, with my children in the car, stuck behind a convoy of vehicles whilst the hunt was on the road, and all because I didn't put my thumbs up about the hunt. It was terrifying.

It's the refusal to believe there are anything but the cruel fake drag hunters about that bothers me, generally from people who have no real clue what they are talking about. I used to go drag hunting in the early 90's more than 10 years before hunting was banned. Those dogs were never trained to chase or kill foxes so there wasn't ever any accidents. My friend works for a bloodhound pack - again these dogs have always been trained to follow a scent long before any ban and wouldn't even acknowledge a fox.

I don't understand why post this on mumsnet report this to the police and contact the press. If no one reports them for breaking the law then ofcourse they will continue.

@foodlesnoodles

With all due respect this is a very heated topic for a lot of people. As I have said I have witnessed first hand the violence & wouldn’t absolutely nor want to out myself or the area that I am from, so I’m not going to pour you in a direction.

But it doesn’t take a lot to find uncut videos Saba have taken the self, for example kicking/hitting/whipping horses to get a reaction.

The other example of a friend of mine who was smashed over the head by Sabs, is online. I know there are many other examples also.

But again giving a way my location by sending the links or telling you which sab group it is, is not something I fancy doing in this day & age!