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To wonder how 10,000 truckers are going to the toilet?

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snowisfallingallaroundus · 23/12/2020 09:59

I can't imagine it's pretty Confused

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Nowaynothappening · 23/12/2020 10:00

I thought the same when I read about the people trapped in their cars in Japan.

snowisfallingallaroundus · 23/12/2020 10:02

Practical me thinks it would make sense to fertilise surrounding fields for future crops.

Kill two birds with one stone.

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doodlejump1980 · 23/12/2020 10:03

Most of them will have toilet stuff in their cabs. Bit like a campervan toilet I guess?

MissSmiley · 23/12/2020 10:04

I read an article yesterday that said they were digging holes in the ground on the grass verge... not pleasant for them at all

OlympicProcrastinator · 23/12/2020 10:10

My husband is an HGV driver and I can assure you none of them have toilets in their cabs. Only bunk beds. This isn’t new. Petrol stations and pit stops for HGV drivers have been shut up and down the country have been closed since the beginning of lock down and they’ve been using the side of roads for months.

Nobody batted an eyelid because it’s a working class and immigrant problem and nobody has given a shit (scuse the pun) about anything that affects them for years.

snowisfallingallaroundus · 23/12/2020 10:17

How awful. Poor sods.

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lollymad · 23/12/2020 10:19

I have relatives living in Kent. They describe side of the M20 as an open sewer, but this is nothing new. Operation Stack has been used many times, whenever there is poor weather/strikes in France/ferry or shuttle problems.

ClarencesMum · 23/12/2020 10:27

I feel so sorry for them and the fact they have been put in this position and no one is helping them!

TibetanTerrier · 23/12/2020 10:45

Isle of Thanet News
A Government and Kent Resilience Forum statement said food, toilets and water are available for hauliers along the M20 and at Manston, with more food trucks sent to Manston.

The statement adds: “There are more than adequate health and welfare provisions available, with nearly 150 toilets and urinals at Manston and portable toilets every 1 km on the M20 between junctions 10a-11. Seventy additional toilets will arrive at Manston tomorrow morning.

BubblyBarbara · 23/12/2020 10:48

Also think that if they’ve been given any facilities at all, if any of them have the new strain then many more of them do now. I bet you find a lot of them have positive tests and have to abandon their loads

cantdothisnow1 · 23/12/2020 10:51

It beggars believe that there are not proper toileting facilities given that with Brexit looming in just over a week these queues were inevitable. Blocked porta loos and more arriving today (third day of queues) is appalling. No the government could not have predicted this but they know about Brexit.

And i've been reading reports that the wonderful Sikh community have been feeding these drivers. Why should charities have to provide basic supplies?

Hoghedge10 · 23/12/2020 10:57

And i've been reading reports that the wonderful Sikh community have been feeding these drivers. Why should charities have to provide basic supplies?

Is there a way people can donate some money to the people feeding the lorry drivers? It can't be cheap supplying all that food.

cantdothisnow1 · 23/12/2020 11:03

www.khalsaaid.org/donate

This is not exclusively for the truckers but this charity has funded the 800 hot meals delivered yesterday. Another 1000 to be delivered today.

Londonnight · 23/12/2020 11:05

@OlympicProcrastinator My son is also an HGV driver and I completely agree with you.
Services for lorries keep closing making it far more difficult for the drivers to stop. They have no toilets in their cabs, only bunks. Motorway services have closed many facilities over the past 10 months of covid, making it even harder to have access to anything.

People want their food/ deliveries, but often don't care about truck drivers and what they have to go through to get things through to get them.
Seeing the vast amount of lorries parked up in Kent is now highlighting to people just how difficult a job HGV driving can be.

Havanananana · 23/12/2020 11:27

A Government and Kent Resilience Forum statement said food, toilets and water are available for hauliers along the M20 and at Manston, with more food trucks sent to Manston.

The statement adds: “There are more than adequate health and welfare provisions available, with nearly 150 toilets and urinals at Manston and portable toilets every 1 km on the M20 between junctions 10a-11. Seventy additional toilets will arrive at Manston tomorrow morning.

Yet the hauliers on the ground report something completely different:

“You wouldn’t treat your dog this way and to leave drivers like that, it is a sham,” said Phil Houlton, operations director of the Staffordshire-based haulage firm DWP and Sons, whose drivers got caught up in the queueing around Dover during the first day.

He said conditions on the roadside were awful. There were few toilets available to those still stuck, and many drivers had been left with little or no access to hot food, drinks and showers, after the French authorities closed the border to accompanied freight or cargo in an attempt to stem the spread of the new coronavirus variant discovered in the UK.

Houlton said the British authorities knew disruption in the area was coming, adding: “They have nothing and it is disgraceful.”

As usual, the government gets caught with its pants down. Operation Yellowhammer turns into Operation Browntrousers and Gove's claims that the UK is well-prepared for any eventuality falls at the first hurdle - just as predicted by anyone with any insight into the logistics of cross-Channel freight trade. On Monday Johnson claimed that there were only 170 trucks delayed at Dover - which might have been strictly correct, but he made no mention of the thousands of trucks queuing at Manston and other locations in Kent, nor of the thousands of trucks parked up elsewhere in the UK who have been told not to drive to SE England.

tara66 · 23/12/2020 11:40

10,000?? Is that the number really?

InTheDrunkTank · 23/12/2020 11:42

When I drove past last there were lots just peeing by the side of their Lorries (Which DS found hilarious). No idea where the poor guys are going for a dump (I definitely didn't see anyone attempting it down the side of their Lorries).

InTheDrunkTank · 23/12/2020 11:43

Probably doesn't help that it's been pissing down with rain all day.

Havanananana · 23/12/2020 11:47

There are not 10,000 trucks stuck at Dover, or even at Manston.

In round numbers there are about 3,000 stuck in Kent, either at Dover, on the M20 or at Manston.

The expected volume of trucks waiting to cross the Channel this week has been 5,000 to 6,000 a day. Since few trucks have crossed since Sunday, that leaves about 7,000-10,000 other trucks unaccounted for. Some trips will have been cancelled, so these trucks have not been loaded or despatched, but there are thousands of trucks parked up across the UK waiting for information regarding when they can drive to Essex and Kent in order to board the ferries and Eurotunnel trains.

cologne4711 · 23/12/2020 11:52

@OlympicProcrastinator

My husband is an HGV driver and I can assure you none of them have toilets in their cabs. Only bunk beds. This isn’t new. Petrol stations and pit stops for HGV drivers have been shut up and down the country have been closed since the beginning of lock down and they’ve been using the side of roads for months.

Nobody batted an eyelid because it’s a working class and immigrant problem and nobody has given a shit (scuse the pun) about anything that affects them for years.

People absolutely do care about the general lack of public toilet facilities in this country but most MNers seem to think it's completely outrageous for a customer facing business to offer toilets to anyone who needs them. Heaven forbid that someone uses a bit of loo roll who hadn't bought a coffee. Or that a council keep their toilets open and unfurlough their cleaning staff.

I didn't know there was a problem with motorway services as I've not been on a motorway for a long journey since March, but all the service stations on the A303 were open in the summer. I thought those were the one thing that were open - to accommodate lorry drivers.

ScatteredMama82 · 23/12/2020 11:53

@cantdothisnow1

www.khalsaaid.org/donate

This is not exclusively for the truckers but this charity has funded the 800 hot meals delivered yesterday. Another 1000 to be delivered today.

Thank you!
Christmascrybaby · 23/12/2020 11:57

And this is also one of the reasons why women are put off doing this job!

OlympicProcrastinator · 23/12/2020 11:59

I didn't know there was a problem with motorway services as I've not been on a motorway for a long journey since March, but all the service stations on the A303 were open in the summer. I thought those were the one thing that were open - to accommodate lorry drivers

It did improve in the summer though it depended whereabouts in the UK, but on the whole, the majority of service station toilets remained closed to them, particularly in the SE of England. No action by anyone in power seemed to be taken and we didn’t see it discussed anywhere outside the HGV forums.

MereDintofPandiculation · 23/12/2020 12:01

portable toilets every 1 km on the M20 between junctions 10a-11. Can't imagine I'd be willing to walk half a kilometre if I woke in the middle of the night needing a pee.

tttigress · 23/12/2020 12:03

Surely operation stack is creating a breading ground for Covid. Would have been better to let them enter France.

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