To give up on privacy for the duration of Covid and just put a tracker on everyone.

[BlankProfile]

That way when people turn up at the hospital needing access to doctors and equipment, the NHS could see whether or not someone had been following guidelines. The covidiots that haven't could be bumped to the back of the queue for everything.

Ok, say that happened...do you really think doctors wouldn’t treat people based on a tracker? If so, they shouldn’t be doctors really. The NHS treats convicted murderers, child rapists, in fact everyone who qualifies for treatment. It’s not a system based on who deserves it.

@BlankProfile

I'm more inclined to thinks the term fascism applies to those who won't follow the rules. They are, after all, the elite who do not need to be troubled by the inconvenience of a pandemic. Rules are for the masses, not for them.

Are you one of these people who decides that the definition of a word means what you want it to mean because it suits you, rather than what it actually means?

I'd rather take my chances with Covid than take my chances with giving up my most basic freedoms to the state. And I have actually been sticking to the rules before I get accused of being a granny killing arsehole.

Oh not this "infections are rising because people aren't following the rules" bullshit again

Why dont you go live in China OP? I'm sure youd like it there. Or perhaps under a nice bridge...

Ooh goodie. I love threads that start like this

You do realise what a virus does don't you? And that it will spread regardless of rules because it is a virus.
If you research the deadliest pandemic in history, it will show you that as there was never a vaccine, the majority contracted it. They either passed away or gained a form of immunity.
Spanish flu never died out, it mutated and descendants of it make up the influenza viruses today.
You don't know peoples reasons for breaking the rules. People are entitled to their freedoms and after 9 months of disruption it is understandable people are getting pissed off.

They sort of have put trackers on. If you test positive they phone you daily and persistently to check you’re still isolating (and read your legal obligation and potential fines if you break it). Presumably they’re tracking phone/IP locations too.

That way when people turn up at the hospital needing access to doctors and equipment, the NHS could see whether or not someone had been following guidelines. The covidiots that haven't could be bumped to the back of the queue for everything.

So then if you are very low risk and you know you are extremely, extremely unlikely to need hospitalisation so are willing to go to the back of the queue you have a free pass to do what to want?
So teenagers for instance can socialise as they want?

You eventually just end up with a sort of shield the vulnerable idea?

See, I don’t hate that. I think there needs to be more discussion on how worthwhile the restrictions are and if anything is worth giving up our freedoms so completely. And a lot of people would be perfectly willing to give up their place on ICU to get back their freedoms.

Oh Jesus! That's so ridiculous it's actually quite funny.

Eh, I was joking! Just running with the theme of the OP, lol. Its a sad indictment of the times that it actually could be a genuine post at this stage though.

@zigaziga yep. I'm more than happy to give up my 0.0001% (probably not enough zeros in there) chance of needing ICU to have even a semblence of my old life back!

Oh but I do have the odd glass of wine, and I usually only go for a run just once a week so don't follow the government guidance on exercise. So by this logic I'm not entitled to hospital treatment anyway for not following government roolz. Oh well.

What a silly post.

@BlankProfile

firstnamechange- that is at the heart of it. You think you are entitled to make your own "risk assessment". That you know better than the science teams advising the government. That you are - literally - above the law.

We might have a different understanding of the law. The law is a set of rules that evolved to to keep society functioning. A lot of laws are things most people would do anyway and therefore they come with a broad societal consensus (don't kill, don't steal etc). We still need to have laws against this because some people will break the rules. Covid rules have been imposed by panicked governmentsso they don't get accused of killing grannies. Mix into the mix a bunch of loopholes (because you don't have the police numbers to enforce any of this on a broad scale).

I happen to believe that the law exists to benefit the people and not the other way around. There are countless examples in history of unjust laws or pointless laws.

I don't feel bound by rushed dictates to appease a vocal minority, no.

I'm choosing to laugh at this because otherwise I'd cry at people advocating for the removal of fundamental human rights 'for the duration of covid', as if once removed they'd ever come back. Wow.

Ludicrous...

If you are that paranoid about the virus, stay home for the next year or two. Don't try to push your extreme views on the rest of us.

Presumably they’re tracking phone/IP locations too.

They really won't be doing this, our track and trace really isn't that capable.

I was just waiting for the "everyone has a mobile phone, so track them with that". Yeah sure, like that will work.

I learned from a thread on here that that is precisely what is being done, in at least one other place. The government tracks you by you mobile if you go out. You can't leave it at home, because they call or text you and you have to answer quickly if you don't want to be fined.

Apparently in parts of China government cameras with facial recognition technology cover both the front and back doors of every home, governments computers know literally every single time you exit your house. (A Russian I know told me Russia is also using facial recognition cameras to catch Covid rule-breakers.)

DW told me of a pop concert by her favourite musician in China, cameras scanning the crowds identified a large number of "wanted" faces, so their owners could be arrested. Apparently, with facial recognition technology, you're not anonymous even in a football-stadium-sized crowd. (In the UK, I have a drivers licence and passport, so my photo is already on government computers.)

i don't care being monitored personally. My life is so dull they could knock themselves out as far as I'm concerned

When i saw the title I thought it might be useful to track the progress of the virus, make people think twice about doing something silly maybe.

You know....potentially helpful

But I should have known really...depriving people of medical care is horrendous

I learned from a thread on here that that is precisely what is being done, in at least one other place. The government tracks you by you mobile if you go out. You can't leave it at home, because they call or text you and you have to answer quickly if you don't want to be fined.

In the UK?

Give your fucking head a wobble

I think you need to get your head round the fact this rise is not caused by people going to see their friends in their houses or going out to buy chocolate twice in one day. And even if it was so what? People have tolerated this garbage for 9 months now. The restrictions are unrealistic and have achieved precisely nothing except hardship.

The virus is spreading because it’s a virus and that’s what it does.

It's not even controversial to say that you can stop the virus by having greater government surveillance. I'm fairly sure I've read articles in both the Financial Times and the Economist making precisely this point, that various Asian countries have succeeded because they routinely do things that would be unacceptable here. And not just countries like China. I think Taiwan is a proper democracy, and it was the most successful at controlling the virus, last time I checked.

Maybe we should also not treat people who've stayed indoors right through the summer and haven't ensured they didn't get adequate vitamin d.

I'm intrigued on the tracking device. Perhaps today's announcement will be "Boris's Butt Plug", so not only can he track us, we definitely know he's doing us where it hurts!!

@PhilCornwall1

I'm intrigued on the tracking device. Perhaps today's announcement will be "Boris's Butt Plug", so not only can he track us, we definitely know he's doing us where it hurts!!

Bend over for Boris...although he prefers 3 words...Bend and track?