To give up on privacy for the duration of Covid and just put a tracker on everyone.

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That way when people turn up at the hospital needing access to doctors and equipment, the NHS could see whether or not someone had been following guidelines. The covidiots that haven't could be bumped to the back of the queue for everything.

We have the option of opting into a covid app which tracks contacts provided blue tooth is on. I've chosen not to as it's got a bunch of problems but checking into venues is super easy. I'm in NSW Australia and when we got a cluster of like 10 cases a huge restrictions of movement was out on. The cases crept up but have started coming down really fast. The UK government failure to quickly respond is the issue not your citizens. Don't give your incompetent government more powers.

Oh just stop.

1984 is a novel not a how-to guide. YABU

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I'm more inclined to thinks the term fascism applies to those who won't follow the rules. They are, after all, the elite who do not need to be troubled by the inconvenience of a pandemic. Rules are for the masses, not for them.

You haven't got a clue what fascism is, have you?

I do know what fascism is, which is why I can say with confidence that my deep frustration and anger at people refusing to follow the laws relating to lockdown is not facism.
I just hit a wall tonight reading yet another thread with an op organising Xmas get togethers and NYE drinks.
I do know you can't tag people. I also know you can't withhold treatment based on whether someone has followed the rules. I know this because i am not silly.

But we can all see the trends in the number of cases rising sharply. We know that in a few weeks the death rate will track this and also ramp up. We know many people have long Covid. But people still won't stay home because they are just too special/important for the rules to apply to them personally.

I'm having a strop, a moan, a bitch because I am following the rules even though I hate it too.

Countries that are more tolerant of state control have done far better in controlling Covid and having an effective tracking and tracing system

Which countries are you thinking of?

. . . spoiler alert . . . I think I know and I'm poised!

What are people going to complain about when SAGE decide this pandemic is over (they've probably got the day circled on the calendar).

Still, it's mildly amusing having a read.

I'm more inclined to thinks the term fascism applies to those who won't follow the rules
Ah, the Humpty-Dumpty approach to word use.

Surely you’d have to be extraordinarily thick to think this is a good idea

Or just a troll

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Surely you’d have to be extraordinarily thick to think this is a good idea

Or just a troll

It just baffles me as to why people come up with this crap and when asked how it would be implemented, they have no idea.

I was just waiting for the "everyone has a mobile phone, so track them with that". Yeah sure, like that will work.

They can track me however they want as long as it’s not on right hand or forehead

The only way for track and trace to be a real success is to make it compulsory

That is not something I would support and I believe everyone has the right to medical care

I turn mine off at work as we are not always socially distancing so I don’t know how you would police that

No. Nope. Can't really do what I want. In fact, I can't do anything I want even if I'm prepared to break the rules/law. No dancing, pub nights, choir, gym, cinema, work, travel to see family, birthday parties for kids, no making new friends, no dating, no sex.
I have broken the law a few times when my mental health is about to give up - usually a first date or a one night stand. That's the only adult company I have had in god knows how many months. That is not how I want my life to be!

Meanwhile my ex husband commutes on a packed train to London and works with 200 people and socialises (at work) most days. He hasn't broken any rules.

Actually, yes. I've had enough! Fuck everyone else for once! My own survival instinct is kicking in and I won't be apologetic about it. COVID virtue signallers don't care about the way anyone else suffers but expect buckets of compassion back. Enough is enough! Go hide behind your floral sofa with a tin of beans!

And I just feel so helpless flailing about here.. Because it's pointless. Because I can't return life back to normality. I can only rebel in those tiny ways that make no difference.

You see OP, we are quite similar - throwing pointless tantrums over things we know nothing about, fuelled by our own selfishness (hence we both assume my cause is greater than yours). And no, you don't gain anything by having "law" on your side - hence me mentioning my ex. You'd be safer having a cuppa with me than my rule abiding ex!

YABU

The problem with that is that it would be illegal, a serious infringement on civil liberties.

A lot of the restrictions are already treading very close to the line, things like freedom of movement and freedom of association are among the most basic components of liberal democracy.

They've really only been justified on the grounds that they are temporary. Which is increasingly arguable - given that the nature of a communicable disease is to spread through the population, stopping it was always a long shot.

People have been depending on the idea that a vaccine would come on the scene, but then with new strains emerging, who knows how effective they will even be.

If it looks like covid will be with us long term they are going to have to think very seriously about removing tracking and restrictions if they want to retain anything like our democratic social values.

If you ask me why do people have the right to buy stuff like cigarettes, alcohol or unhealthy food? Everyone should just stay inside and let the government bring them the essentials. But people are too selfish for that and just love to go on about human rights. Who cares about all that when there's a virus around?! Its only temporary, maybe 2 weeks would do it?

Oh Jesus! That's so ridiculous it's actually quite funny.

If you ask me why do people have the right to buy stuff like cigarettes, alcohol or unhealthy food?

The government would soon complain if people stopped buying fags. They need all the money they can get at the moment. Same with booze.

OP hoping I don't sound cruel, but why don't you just stay on your own bubble if everyone else is out there to get you?

YABVU.

Ben Franklin wasn't actually speaking about liberty when he said this, according to the source I found, but reading this thread the qoute was the first thing I thought about... I think about it a lot these days.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Not everyone who contracts covid requires a hospital stay OP. What if your mum was asymptomatic? You seem to be implying that anyone who has covid should be in hospital, which doesn't make any sense. If your mum, or anyone else for that matter, needed to go to hospital, why on earth do you think they would be turned away?

We followed the rules, my son got Covid at school because schools are not (excuse the lame expression Covid safe).

The intrusion by test and trace, numerous calls, 16 texts one day and emails, was really something else.
I was so relieved when our family isolations were up because even that level of monitoring was intrusive. Strangers having my information and data, our landline (which we only give to school) being used by PHE and Test & Trace - where did they get the number?

I found it disturbing to be honest, like your post.

'but I bet if she gets it she won't be treated'

Unless she is already palliative with only days/weeks to live, this is rubbish.

Sincerely, a nurse.

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The infection rate is rising because people won't follow the guidance. We are running out of beds, staff and equipment, but still people are posting about the many ways they are breaking the rules. I'm just sick of it. How bad does it have to get before people will stay home?

No the infection rate is rising because it's a virus and viruses spread. It's what they do. Once schools, colleges and unis reopened of course it was going to spread.

Also the rules have always allowed people to meet if a vulnerable person needed help. So how would a tracker distinguish between two people meeting because they just fancied a chat and a cuppa and two people meeting because one of them was vulnerable and needed help?

I have said this before but I will say it again. I have stuck to all the rules religiously but I will be seeing my parents over Christmas because I have been having panic attacks and am suicidal. The thought of seeing them for a few days over Christmas was the only thing stopping me from jumping off a bridge. Then that bloody clown Boris ruined it 🙄.

I don't know anyone who hasn't stuck to the rules tbh.

OP, are you a narcissist? The wording of your title is very strange, as if you personally are going to start putting trackers on people.

You need to find a hobby (I suggest reading). This level of pomposity is unhealthy.

OP maybe if you did some actual reading around the subject (from a source that isn’t the Daily Mail) then you’d feel better? Where on earth are you getting the assumption that your mother wouldn’t be treated if she needed hospitalisation?

Stop making wild assumptions and generalisations and working yourself up into a tizzy for no reason.

The NHS has always treated people with “self-inflicted” injuries and illnesses - everything from smoking to obesity to sports and exercise related injuries.

Where would it end? If someone falls off a ladder they won’t get treated because they shouldn’t have been trying to clean the gutters themselves?

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid, OP. The government exercise in control is working a treat with you.