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"F**k off, Gav. Nobody trusts you"

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noelgiraffe · 21/12/2020 15:26

Gavin Williamson appears to be now more hated than Gove by the education profession, including school leaders and head teachers, which is probably his only achievement since starting the job.

He actually managed to unite all education unions, including heads, governors and the Church of England to write a joint letter refusing to co-operate with his bonkers mass-testing plan. This never happens.

neu.org.uk/media/13741/view

"F**k off Gav. Nobody trusts you. There is no ‘we’. The good will reserves are empty. Some schools are working today on track and trace from last week because you didn’t let them close; your cut ‘n’ paste guidance is unresourced crap. You’re a bad joke."

The above quote from a prominent member of the education community is in response to an article where he gears up to pre-blame teachers and schools for the imminent failure of the mass testing programme that he wants quickly knocked up on a shoestring budget over the Christmas holidays. (Do Serco not have any of their billions of pounds budget left for this?)

twitter.com/educationgovuk/status/1341023021788770307?s=21

Given the complete breakdown in the relationship between Gavin Williamson and the people he is supposed to lead, is it indeed time for Gav to f**k off?

YABU: No, Gav is doing just fine
YANBU: Fuck off, Gav

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noelgiraffe · 22/12/2020 13:16

The Independent Schools Council have added their name to the joint union letter in the OP.

twitter.com/isc_schools/status/1341075100905422849?s=21

Is there anyone in education who hasn’t called out Gav’s plans as unworkable now?

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quest1on · 22/12/2020 13:27

He will probably just bumble ahead regardless because he needs to see something isn’t working as it is actually happening to be able to U-turn.

saraclara · 22/12/2020 16:56

Wow! Good for the Independents. I can't recall that ever happening before. Usually they completely distance themselves from protests made by state heads and the unions.

noelgiraffe · 22/12/2020 17:01

Yes, it's a lot harder for the government to moan about left-wing unions politicking if the private sector are also on board.

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EmmanuelleMakro · 22/12/2020 17:12

Lol @‘Gavsters’Xmas Grin
I just assumed he had already fucked off to the far side etc etc as not heard anything from. They seem to be wheeling out the other one (whose name I can’t even remember) to take the flak

SmileEachDay · 22/12/2020 21:38

THat’ll be Nick Gibb Emanuelle. Nick “where the fuck IS Gav Gibb.

MadameMiggeldy · 22/12/2020 21:57

@SantaAssociationRepresentitve

It is quite something if education staff say that they prefer Gove to Gav.
This. I’ve since left education but I cannot imagine anyone inspiring greater loathing than Gove and yet I am wrong it seems
TheHoneyBadger · 22/12/2020 22:09

The Times have reported that the rate amongst secondary school aged children last week was higher than 2500 per 100,000.

noelgiraffe · 22/12/2020 22:10

The Times is behind the times. Someone reported it on MN last Thursday.

Journalists, eh?

"F**k off, Gav. Nobody trusts you"
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TheHoneyBadger · 22/12/2020 22:11

I missed that. Jeez. I'm a bit lost for words for once.

FrippEnos · 23/12/2020 00:52

The times exactly hasn't been a place of journalistic honesty from the start of all this.

noelgiraffe · 23/12/2020 10:52

Well Gav has done something wrong.

When I last posted a 'Gav should resign' thread in October, on the back of the exam results fiasco and students spreading covid around the country, the poll only got 318 votes, with 92% in favour of him resigning.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4062477-Gavin-Williamson-Secretary-of-State-for-Education-should-resign

The latest poll, based on mass testing debacle and schools basically being covid plague pits, has 1174 votes, with 95% in favour of him fucking off.

Off you fuck, Gav.

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CallmeAngelGabriel · 23/12/2020 12:46

Grin Grin

TweeVi · 27/12/2020 10:10

The Times have reported that the rate amongst secondary school aged children last week was higher than 2500 per 100,000.

Is there any information on primary school rates? With it looking increasingly likely that most secondary pupils won't return on 4th or 11th jan, where does that leave primary pupils, staff and schools in all this? Still expected to continue as normal, without any ppe allowed, in often stuffy, unventilated classrooms?

Has anyone written to their mp recently? I am composing my letter now. Ours often visits our local schools - I wonder if he would still be happy to in January Confused

noblegiraffe · 27/12/2020 11:11

I wrote this if anyone wants to steal/amend. This would seem to be even more important now that the papers are reporting a 'battle' about schools in Downing Street.

Replacing sending home close contacts with dodgy tests is a massive concern.

Dear

I am writing to you because I am deeply concerned about the current situation in schools and the dangers of this new strain that caused so many problems in secondary schools in London and the South East before they broke up for Christmas.

The science seems to suggest that the new strain is more transmissible, and was severely disruptive to education, with attendance in Kent secondary schools on 10th December only at 55%, with other areas also badly affected. This is very worrying in terms of the ability of schools to provide quality education if large numbers of children are at home and also if staff are badly affected.

Cleary, it would be foolish to re-open secondary schools in January without major changes to account for this new strain. I welcome the move to a staggered start in secondary to reduce the number of pupils in school for the first week to reduce the risks caused by increased infection rates due to Christmas mixing.

I understand that the government has decided to test every secondary student in the first week of January. This would be a positive move, however the plan was announced very late in the term, giving Heads one working day's notice, inadequate resources, inadequate funding and no staffing. All the teaching and headteaching unions, including from the private sector say that this is impossible and will not be implemented in time. In addition, the testing is to use lateral flow tests whose usefulness is now heavily disputed due to only catching 50% of positive cases.

It's clear we cannot rely on mass testing as a solution to the schools problem and this should be discarded from any planning for schools at the start of January.

I am also horrified to hear that secondary schools are to be instructed to no longer send close contacts of positive cases home to isolate and instead test close contacts in school for 7 days using these ineffective lateral flow tests. This means that pupils at high risk of covid will be travelling to school on school buses and public transport, and then potentially released into classrooms if the test fails to detect their infection. This would appear to be less safe than the current scenario of sending those pupils home to isolate and should be abandoned on health and safety grounds.

The current mitigation measures in schools are wholly inadequate to deal with this new strain and need an urgent review. I am very concerned that the debate seems to focus on a binary between schools open or closed, with no discussion about making them safer.

I would suggest:

Mass testing of pupils using gold-standard tests before re-entry to school, properly administered and resourced, not given to schools to organise
Urgent funding to improve ventilation in classrooms
Masks to be worn in secondary classrooms.
Removal of the threat of fines for clinically vulnerable pupils
Testing of bubbles where there are positive cases and wider sending home of contacts where further cases are found.
In Tier 4, or in schools with significant numbers affected, rotas should be implemented to ensure that more pupils get some consistent face to face teaching.

Please can you pass my concerns to Gavin Williamson and the DfE and seek an urgent response to these issues?

Many thanks, and Merry Christmas

www.writetothem.com/

TweeVi · 27/12/2020 14:00

Brilliant. Thank you for that 😊

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