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To think retinol aged my skin?

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SweetLoveOfCod · 20/12/2020 13:38

Hello. I’ve been familiar with retinol for probably about the last 20 years, know it’s one if the few things clinically evidenced to improve skin ageing, etc. etc. I know a little about how it’s said to work – thickens the dermis, thins the epidermis, etc.

I was prescribed some about 14 years ago (in my 20s) for acne and tolerated it well.

Last year, after finally sorting both an SPF 50 I was happy wearing every day and a good, plain, soothing cica moisturiser that would not react or trigger acne, I got myself some retinol serum to start with over the winter.

As I’m familiar with the product I know to expect a transitional phase and the product of course warns of potential irritation such as dry skin, peeling & flaking, etc. I started at once a week and progressed up to twice a week, never using consecutive nights in a row. Didn’t experience any dryness or flaking just a slight redness.

I noticed very quickly that my skin seemed to take on a crepey quality that I’d never seen before, however I found reports that this is just a phase and not to worry etc. Eventually I stopped, as I felt uncomfortable with how my skin was suddenly looking. It’s hard to describe, but the skin took on a slippery quality and it looked as though the top layer was sort of sliding over lower layers of the skin. Overall my face now looks more gaunt and less plump, and my skin feels slacker and more delicate. The structure of the skin seems to have softened and gone sort of ‘mushy’. I’ve got little pouches under my eyes that weren’t there before.

I’ve compared pictures from when I started using it with when I stopped using it, and can see a clear difference.

Needless to say I’ve stopped using it, however it’s driving me a bit mad – there is no warning of this sort of reaction anywhere, although there are anecdotal reports online. Clearly the way retinol works on the skin is complex and I’m also curious about what might have happened.

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Notimeforaname · 20/12/2020 14:09

I've often wondered about this. I dont really have a skin regime but have wanted to start trying some good quality retinol products.

But I do wonder what happens to the skin. I appreciate you wont want to post pictures of your face here but am struggling to picture the issue you say you had (top layer sliding over bottom layer for example)
I had started using a new serum a few years ago and my face got so dry...I suddenly had wrinkles I'd never seen before!! I stopped immediately.

Is your recent retinol product new? A type you've never used before?

Notimeforaname · 20/12/2020 14:11

Sorry I have no advice or knowledge on the subject. Will be watching to see if anyone else has had a similar experience to you...

MustardMitt · 20/12/2020 14:13

How old are you? I did find that all of sudden my skin changed a lot, probably around age 36.

Or maybe it’s just too strong for your skin? Maybe it’s an allergy?

suggestionsplease1 · 20/12/2020 14:18

How long were you using it for? I did go through a phase which sounds similar to what you experienced.. my skin looked a little bit crepey but I think the top skin layer then sort of sloughed off. (That sounds dramatic but it wasn't really.) The skin underneath was much plumper and firmer.

I stuck with it despite the difficult first few weeks, and it was so much better after that. I'm glad I did and have noticed a real difference.. I'm 41 and got IDed did a few days back when I bought mulled wine in IKEA.

Goldencurtain · 20/12/2020 14:18

It'd be worth posting on a more specialist forum like one of the skincare reddits. Sounds like the moisture barrier has been broken in your skin. Give your skin time to rest and go back to much lower use of retinol.

Notimeforaname · 20/12/2020 14:19

I'm 41 and got IDed did a few days back when I bought mulled wine in IKEA

Right I'm definitely looking into this Grin

SweetLoveOfCod · 20/12/2020 14:21

Hiya, yeah it was years since I’d used any and it was a retinol in rosehip oil serum from the Ordinary.

It is hard to describe. It was like the skin took on a translucent quality and I suppose looked a bit more like an older lady’s skin (I’m mid 30s) – think of the spectrum of young, plump skin on a chubby face to older skin where it has that thin, crepey look and doesn’t have the same sort of bouncy robust structural integrity. It went sort of faint looking and sort of looked it was gliding over lower layers of skin. Probably not obvious to anyone else at a glance, but something I noticed – I was looking forward to seeing improvements so was paying attention!

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SweetLoveOfCod · 20/12/2020 14:24

@MustardMitt

I’m mid-late 30s so in a way that’s quite reassuring – I‘d feel better knowing it was just normal age-related stuff rather than damage done to my skin by a product!

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SweetLoveOfCod · 20/12/2020 14:28

Although I would say the crepiness and ‘slidy’ thing has abated now I’ve stopped using it. However my skin definitely still seems less firm than it was and more sort of faint and mushy. It’s possibly less ’craggy’ but in this way that it’s just softer and more wobbly overall. Haha it’s really tricky finding the words to describe!

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SweetLoveOfCod · 20/12/2020 14:31

Thanks @suggestionsplease1 that sounds promising!

It’s reassuring to hear your skin finally improved and you saw something similar (so it wasn’t just a freak bad reaction).

Well done on the ID-ing!!

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Alonelonelyloner · 20/12/2020 15:31

Have you been over to the AMA on beauty products?

SweetLoveOfCod · 20/12/2020 15:34

No @Alonelonelyloner how would that work? X

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SweetLoveOfCod · 20/12/2020 16:19

Thank you, I’ve found it! :)

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RelightMyPfizer · 20/12/2020 16:22

@suggestionsplease1

How long were you using it for? I did go through a phase which sounds similar to what you experienced.. my skin looked a little bit crepey but I think the top skin layer then sort of sloughed off. (That sounds dramatic but it wasn't really.) The skin underneath was much plumper and firmer.

I stuck with it despite the difficult first few weeks, and it was so much better after that. I'm glad I did and have noticed a real difference.. I'm 41 and got IDed did a few days back when I bought mulled wine in IKEA.

everyone gets their id checked in ikea

Sorry to burst your bubble.

ForestNymph · 20/12/2020 16:23

I had a similar reaction to retinol. I'm mid twenties and wanted to try it as a preventative. It made my skin look way worse, grey and deflated! I stopped using it and its gone back to being nice and normal again.

Jamie8671 · 20/12/2020 16:48

Hey @SweetLoveOfCod! My skin didn’t react brilliantly to retinol (post the usual flaky stage), but then I started to also use daily ceramides to support the skin barrier and my skin has improved exponentially. If you’re happy to take recommendations I use the Plantastic cleanser, then the pink ceramide capsules and the Japanfusion ceramide mask (but I use it daily) from Beauty Pie. Game changing for my skin and restored that lovely ‘plump’ quality.

20mum · 20/12/2020 17:03

It has always puzzled me that tests for skin products don't insist on double blind unmarked products for the right and the left side of the face. That way, if a plain non-active product (effectively the 'placebo') produced equal or better results, it would be shown. If no such non-active product could be made, then at least two rival products could be tried on different sides of the same face. Some independent measure should obviously be sought, not only subjective self reporting. Even the observation of the researchers would be better than that alone.

Photographsandsand · 20/12/2020 17:18

Hey SweetLoveOfCod it's me from the AMA thread.

Firstly, I have seen the reaction you describe and I agree that softer skin does unveil itself over time but you don't have to go through that pain to get the same result.

I know that some people swear by them and some swear at them. I wouldn't recommend The Ordinary products for the simple reason that they are inconsistent. You can buy two of the same product on the same day and the formulation is inconsistent.

How often were you using it? I'm sure that you had done your homework.

Personally, I would recommend using Medik8. Start with a low number to begin with Medik8. Introduce it slowly, a maximum of 3 times a week to begin with.

On the nights in between use a heavy duty moisturiser. I can give you some examples if you want them?

Which SPF are you using during the day?

MaliceOrgan · 20/12/2020 17:26

Unless I have misunderstood your post of course your skin looks different to how it did 14 years ago. Happens to us all.

frostycaravan · 20/12/2020 17:30

Hello @photograohsandsand - do you think this Medik8 product be suitable for someone in their late 60s?
Menopause has hit with a vengeance and my skin quite suddenly looks terrible, pigmented and uneven with enlarged pores. (Thanks for your other thread, I realise you're not a dermatologist).

And what heavy duty moisturisers would you recommend please?

SweetLoveOfCod · 20/12/2020 17:41

Thank you for your reply @Photographsandsand, I really appreciate it.

I'm interested to hear you've seen this before. When I mentioned upthread the skin is softer, I mean in a negative way – as in less firm, sort of squishy and delicate. It's like the structure has broken down in some way so that some 'stiff' engrained fine lines have dropped out at the expense of the firm structure of the skin – the contours have loosened.

That is absolutely crazy about the Ordinary formulations. That seems like a regulatory issue? Madness.

I started off at once a week and progressed to twice/3 times a week. Probably a few times I did every other night. At one point it seemed I had some irritation in one area (retinol 'burn' that people talk about?) so I immediately scaled it back again to less frequent use.

Because I used a prescription strength product many years back and tolerated it well, I started this time with one of the stronger formulations and was paying close attention for the potential irritation that is warned of – dryness, peeling, etc. – however I didn't experience any of those things. If there had been any mention or warning of the effects I experienced, I would have proceeded with far, far greater caution. 'Dryness and flaking' are such superficial forms of irritation, this does not represent at all the sort of potential for 'irritation' that retinol really has.

I was using LRP SPF 50. Anthelios on the eyelids and undereye, and the anti-shine one on the rest of my face. Maybe a few times I had tingling pink skin when I didn't put SPF on very first thing – so while I was indoors at home but getting indirect daylight on my skin through the blinds.

I always use SPF 50 whether using active products or not and throughout the winter.

Thank you very much for the kind recommendation! I've seen Alice Hart-Davis talk about this range and I believe someone else recommended this starter retinol, so that is really great to have that confirmed. I'm going to see a dermatologist shortly (and before using anything else) as I'm fairly spooked by the previous experience, but this is great information to have.

Do you happen to know anything about what is happening when this sort of reaction occurs?

Thank you for taking the time to reply!

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SweetLoveOfCod · 20/12/2020 17:46

@MaliceOrgan

I started using a retinol last year and my skin changed in appearance during the time I was using it.

I previously used it 14 years ago when I was prescribed it for acne, however had not used it for a decade.

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Annoymou5e · 20/12/2020 17:48

Retinol doesn’t age your skin, however it can dry it out.

You need to post your daily skin regime to show the full picture.

SweetLoveOfCod · 20/12/2020 17:48

Good point @20mum !

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