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To ask neighbours if digger can come through

201 replies

hobbeschild · 17/12/2020 11:29

We'd like to build a swimming pool in our garden. Our side access is not wide enough for a mini-digger. Manually digging and shipping the dirt out will add thousands to the cost.

Our neighbours have a wide side-access right next to us, and if we took the adjoining fence down it would mean coming over a few metres of their land, gravel and a bit of grass (not the perfect lawn type) and removing a woodstore (not the precious type).

We would commit to put all their land and the fence back exactly how it was before and build a new woodstore (this would still be much cheaper). The digging will take about a week.

We will tell them they can use the pool whenever they wish, as long as we don't have visitors. They are lovely people in their 50s with grown-up kids. We have a good relationship but are not friends. In the past we used a friend's pool on this basis so we know what it's like to be on the other end of this arrangement.

If they say no we will probably not go ahead, so it's not like if they say no we'll build it anyway and not let them use it! We would say there's absolutely no obligation and it's just at the ideas stage, just getting a feel for cost.

Personally, if I could have the luxury of easy access to a pool with none of the responsibility I would jump at the chance!

I realise this is a relatively first-world and trivial problem compared to what a lot of people are going through at the moment, but if we're going to do it then we should now, before another restrictive year in terms of holidays and exercise opportunities.

How would you feel if you were the neighbour? AIBU to ask them?

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elenacampana · 17/12/2020 16:21

I think I would decline if it was me OP. I understand why you’d want to ask them but it’s too much of an ask for a situation that I just wouldn’t want.

As others have said, the pool wouldn’t be an incentive to me because I wouldn’t feel comfortable coming into your private garden to use it. I’d expect you to sort it out yourself without dismantling my garden.

hobbeschild · 17/12/2020 16:27

@viques the benefit of hindsight. We built them 3 years ago. Life has changed.

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LindainLockdown · 17/12/2020 16:36

Well I just about meet the profile of your neighbours but thankfully you are not my neighbour from your description!

YANBU to ask but I would politely decline your request. The main reason is that I would rather not live next to a house with a swimming pool (unless I move to LA or Spain).

I would have zero interest in using a neighbour's pool.

Bluntness100 · 17/12/2020 16:39

@hobbeschild

Sheds = 1 shed, 1 bikeshed, 1 gym. Not my choice, my husband's! So please don't judge.

I'll enquire about a crane, thanks.

I'm not going to ask the neighbours. I don't want to taint our relationship. And they do have dogs. Thank you everybody.

Christ, just ask them op. Honestly many people like myself would say yes. It’s not a big deal. But then my neighbours have a pool and it does not bother me a bit.
vanillandhoney · 17/12/2020 16:50

I see they have dogs - as a dog owner myself there is no way I would agree. I wouldn't trust workmen to leave the boundary secure and it would be a real pain for them to have to go outside with their dogs all the time, especially in the winter when it's wet, cold and muddy.

What happens if they say yes, the boundary isn't left secure and one of their dogs escapes?

WiddlinDiddlin · 17/12/2020 16:50

I'd ask, but I'd put it in a sort of 'what would it take to permit this'.. and spell out EXACTLY what would be involved, how long etc etc.

If they say no, then with 1m access you are looking at a very mini digger and craning a skip in and out for the waste or wheelbarrowing it out (or use some to create interesting landscaping)...

But ask, they might be fine, they may jump at the chance to have some of their garden improved after the works are done!

rslsys · 17/12/2020 16:58

Crane the digger into the back garden. Use a spoil conveyor belt to move the spoil from the back garden, down your 1 metre path to front garden. Directly fill a skip with it or make a spoil heap which can be removed with a lorry fitted with a clamshell grab.
Digger will not have to have full reach from ground level to lowest point of the pool as it can be dug in stages with the digger actually in the pool.
Planning will be your biggest problem. You will have to have a water meter, if you haven't already got one, and the Water Company may object to you disposing of chemicalised water into the sewage system. To empty the pool in the future, you may have to hire a tanker to pump it out and dispose of it.
You won't believe how many 'friends' suddenly come out of the woodwork on a hot summers day! You won't believe the cost of running a pool either . . .

DonkeyMcFluff · 17/12/2020 17:01

YANBU to ask, but I would say no and so would most people.

DelphineWalsh · 17/12/2020 17:02

Why not build a raised level pool then you don't need the digger at all?.

gingerbreadfox · 17/12/2020 17:07

Do they have a dog? I would have to say no as my dog would go nuts having people come and go through the garden

Skysblue · 17/12/2020 19:22

Yanbu to ask, but if I were them I would probably say no (unless it was a hideous bit of garden that I hated anyway). It will not take one week, builders will disappear to other projects / get rained off / forget to out the fence back for weeks and weeks etc. The builders will also bash/destroy stuff eg her plants they aren’t meant to, mine killed several large plants in my garden that they didn’t need to. Also My old neighbour allowed access across her garden which killed all the grass and those builders idea of making good was not great, she was very upset and regretted giving permission.

My friend actually got her builders mini digger to drive through her house - they had to retile that part of the floor obvs but it worked well for them. Depending on your house that might be a cheaper option for you than having no digger. Ask your neighbours but make it clear that they can say no, and get it straight in your head that you won’t hold it against them if they do say no.

I don’t think letting them use your pool sometimes is the benefit you think it is, I’d feel patronised by the offer and I don’t much like swimming anyway.

MzHz · 17/12/2020 19:48

Stupid sounding question-

What exactly did you want to do in the pool? Fanny about on hot days or actually swim?

We’re having an endless pool put in the garage. Above ground etc etc and you swim against the current. All team GB swim squad were given them to train in over lockdown

If you want to swim, google it. It’s a lot cheaper and less hassle than digging one

BlankProfile · 17/12/2020 23:13

Most people who have pools put in do not remove the dirt - they build it up round the side of the pool and then have a few steps up to the pool. Means your have a way to use the dirt that comes out of the hole plus you do not need to dig as deep as the built up earth adds height to the hole.

stella1know · 17/12/2020 23:32

I would absolutely refuse this and be annoyed at the neighbours asking:

  • as said above, if you believe it will take a week you are deluded
  • you will not be able to restore the garden satisfactorily. The soil will be compressed By the weight of the digger and compacted. This affects soil health, worms, aeration and water retention. Depending on the weather, for a year or two afterwards the soil will be sodden when it rains in the winter and extremely dry in the summer, as bouts of rain will run off rather than sicker down. Long term this means less grass and more moss.
-many people are very proud of their gardens and seeing it wrecked is a small trauma. And it Causes longterm anger.
  • the builders will mess up far more than just the path of the digger. Possibly also gates and property. Compensation will be due.
-if you live so squished Together that you have no direct access to your garden maybe you shouldn’t have a pool - it will have an effect on the neighbor's soil (Chlorine, and when you empty the pool (or does it go into the main sewers?) and -the wildlife aspect. Log piles are long term habitats for snakes and hedgehogs and insects. Now is the worst time to move them. We are in a mass extinction. -we are in a pandemic. We have to live close to each other. Do you want to annoy your neighbours by loud splashy pool parties? -the smell is awful. Our neighbours have a medium sized pool (standing on the grass) and when they refill the chlorine the stench ruins summer enjoyment for more than one day.

I think you should rethink the pool.

WillSantaBeComingToTown · 17/12/2020 23:36

Poor sods

Having a neighbour with pool would be hell on earth

Why would they want to use it or see you in your keks?

DreadingSeason2020sFinale · 17/12/2020 23:56

@CakeRequired

You may as well ask. Worst they can say is no.

Not sure I'd include the part about allowed usage though. What if they have a party and other people wreck your pool by being sick in it and stuff? It's yours, you'd have to clean it. It's doubtful that they would, maybe they'd be decent and would do it, but I wouldn't want to risk that.

^^this.

I'd suggest reseeding their lawn and a brand new wood store would be a good deal for them. If I were the neighbour I'd say yes but only if I got everything in a written agreement.

Figgyboa · 18/12/2020 01:52

No harm in asking. I'm not sure if I would agree but use of the pool would not be my compensation, I would need financial compensation.

Sinful8 · 18/12/2020 03:52

Might be able to crane the digger in?

Sinful8 · 18/12/2020 03:57

@stella1know

I would absolutely refuse this and be annoyed at the neighbours asking:
  • as said above, if you believe it will take a week you are deluded
  • you will not be able to restore the garden satisfactorily. The soil will be compressed By the weight of the digger and compacted. This affects soil health, worms, aeration and water retention. Depending on the weather, for a year or two afterwards the soil will be sodden when it rains in the winter and extremely dry in the summer, as bouts of rain will run off rather than sicker down. Long term this means less grass and more moss.
-many people are very proud of their gardens and seeing it wrecked is a small trauma. And it Causes longterm anger.
  • the builders will mess up far more than just the path of the digger. Possibly also gates and property. Compensation will be due.
-if you live so squished Together that you have no direct access to your garden maybe you shouldn’t have a pool - it will have an effect on the neighbor's soil (Chlorine, and when you empty the pool (or does it go into the main sewers?) and -the wildlife aspect. Log piles are long term habitats for snakes and hedgehogs and insects. Now is the worst time to move them. We are in a mass extinction. -we are in a pandemic. We have to live close to each other. Do you want to annoy your neighbours by loud splashy pool parties? -the smell is awful. Our neighbours have a medium sized pool (standing on the grass) and when they refill the chlorine the stench ruins summer enjoyment for more than one day.

I think you should rethink the pool.

Plywood boards.

A digger over an 8x6' sheet will be putting down hardly my force

ScotsinOz · 18/12/2020 07:01

You can ask, however you run the risk of them coming to you if they have any issues with their plumbing or ground in the future, as likely they will blame the digger for any future problems.

We put a pool in our last house and although the company suggested asking neighbours for access, we decided we would pay the extra tens of thousands of dollars to have the digger and dirt craned in and out, as we did not want to run the risk of neighbours claiming any future plumbing issues were due to us accessing their land. It was worth the extra money to ensure our neighbours could not claim against us in the future (though we moved a year later, we still own and rent out the property).

Our next house had a pool already thankfully!

naomi81 · 18/12/2020 09:23

No sorry, I don't like swimming! Just being honest 😕

KaptainKaveman · 19/12/2020 07:55

Why can't you just go to the local swimming pool like normal people?

Why must you insist on flashing your cash around by having vulgar monstrosities installed in your garden which will wreck the land? My neighbour 2 doors down has a swimming pool and it leaks water constantly into my NDN's garden and has proper wrecked their path.

Just go to the lido like normal folk ffs.

JillofTrades · 19/12/2020 08:03

Please don't underestimate the amount of maintenance and issues you can have with a pool. Im not in the UK and we have quite a big pool. I'm also in a warmer country so get much more use out of it. Are you really going to maintain this pool through the year for just a few weeks?
Its also not really about dumping a few chemicals every week. It needs maintenance.

user1471519931 · 19/12/2020 08:07

Just use a crane to lift digger in

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 19/12/2020 08:27

Whereas anyone in their right mind would be happy if someone offered to replace the woodstore with brand new

You are looking at all of this from your POV.

Soil impaction is a real thing.

The noise, mess and mud will e a real thing.

You used your friend’s pool. They may well feel awkward and self conscious making occasional arrangements to come and be semi clad in your garden. Bringing all their stuff and going home wet. It is a fake offer.

If you go ahead treat it like a business transaction, not as if you are doing them favours in return. I know you have retracted from your original proposal: this is good, because it could easily have come across as very entitled.