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To wonder why the f* people still think vaccines cause autism?

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coolitcathy · 16/12/2020 16:18

Name changed for privacy reasons.

Stumbled across a Facebook group about "parents against vaccines" a few minutes ago which suggested, nay STATED, that vaccines cause autism and are essentially poison. I think the hysteria is potentially getting worse due to this Covid vaccination that's getting rolled out at the mo. Is anyone still infuriated or is the anger dying down now as we all get distracted by something else happening? Also why is autism seen as such a bad thing?

(If you're anti vax I'm open to you sharing your viewpoints but I haven't seen any information that makes me consider that outlook)

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heydoggee · 18/12/2020 11:32

@Kaliorphic

I'm sorry, what?!

You are talking about a human being here. You have painted them as a Frankenstein.

Whilst not a great description it's very telling that out of that whole post, this is the only bit you choose to pick up on, conveniently ignoring the destruction of several lives within all of this. I'll post the rest of it for you to re read and attempt to absorb.

She’s non verbal, can’t walk, isn’t toilet trained, and struggles to do even simple tasks like dressing herself. She spends a lot of time staring at the wall because she doesn’t have the capacity to do much else. Her mother spent her life as a carer, then the older sister became the carer and her partner left her because the burden was too great. Now the other sister is the carer and she can’t even take her own grandkids to the park because she has to look after her sister all the time. Can you imagine changing nappies for a 50 year old when you’re in your 70s yourself

I have a non verbal child that can't use the toilet. That's why I'm so horrified you described them in that way.
ForestNymph · 18/12/2020 11:32

@farawayplanet

It is preferable to eradicate us than it is for society and neurotypical people to accommodate and provide adaptations. The autistic people who have poor self care abilities occur in the same number of cases as neurotypicals who have poor self care abilities, so logically, they should be screened for and eradicated as well. When a woman embarks on a pregnancy, she knows that she is taking a risk and may end up with a child who has an illness or disability. Babies aren't dollies, they're not churned out in a factory and examined for defects then rejected to be recycled into another dolly if any are found.

The worth of a society can be measured in how it treats it's most vulnerable members. The vast majority of autistic people can live happy and productive lives IF we are able to determine how we need to live and have some control over our environment. Do me and my son deserve to die? Most people here would agree that we do. Thank you for that. This attitude is the reason why he can't go to school and I'm a recluse.

100% this. I'm so fucking sick of it. And then they have the nerve to tell us we hurt their feelings by being justifiably annoyed about it.
Kaliorphic · 18/12/2020 11:33

Do me and my son deserve to die? Most people here would agree that we do

Apart from the fact no one had said that. Not one single person. 🙄

ForestNymph · 18/12/2020 11:33

@Kaliorphic

Ironic given the comments from the AutismParents.

I don't think you understand the meaning of irony.

I don't think you understand a lot of things.
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coolitcathy · 18/12/2020 11:34

Apart from the fact no one had said that. Not one single person. 🙄

Maybe not deserve to die, but deserve to never have existed it seems

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cantdothisnow1 · 18/12/2020 11:35

@farawayplanet

It is preferable to eradicate us than it is for society and neurotypical people to accommodate and provide adaptations. The autistic people who have poor self care abilities occur in the same number of cases as neurotypicals who have poor self care abilities, so logically, they should be screened for and eradicated as well. When a woman embarks on a pregnancy, she knows that she is taking a risk and may end up with a child who has an illness or disability. Babies aren't dollies, they're not churned out in a factory and examined for defects then rejected to be recycled into another dolly if any are found.

The worth of a society can be measured in how it treats it's most vulnerable members. The vast majority of autistic people can live happy and productive lives IF we are able to determine how we need to live and have some control over our environment. Do me and my son deserve to die? Most people here would agree that we do. Thank you for that. This attitude is the reason why he can't go to school and I'm a recluse.

Who has said you deserve to die? You are seeing something that isn't there.

My autistic children can't go to school either, life is extremely difficult. People are saying that they would take away their children's difficulties if they could. That's very different from wishing their children, you or anyone else dead.

farawayplanet · 18/12/2020 11:35

@heydoggee

External appearances are very important to them and they would prefer that their charges don't look like this. Worth is based on outward appearance.

farawayplanet · 18/12/2020 11:36

Deserve not to exist.

What is the difference?

farawayplanet · 18/12/2020 11:37

How do we cease to exist so as not to offend others? Please explain how I can arrange such a thing?

Kaliorphic · 18/12/2020 11:38

I don't think you understand a lot of things.

I can see you think that. Your posts clearly show frustration that you feel misunderstood.

farawayplanet · 18/12/2020 11:39

The arrangements for 'taking away someone's difficulties' can't be met.

cantdothisnow1 · 18/12/2020 11:40

Where has anyone said that autistics deserve not to exist.

The most anyone has said was that in the event of pre-natal screening THEY may have made the choice not to go ahead with their pregnancy based upon their experience. That doesn't remove autistic people generally. It's no different from the current position with down syndrome.

It's all hypothetical anyway. This kind of screening doesn't exist.

And this isn't the general view anyway, the view is more that people love their children but wish that their lives were easier. That is not killing anyone.

Duggeehugs82 · 18/12/2020 11:40

This them vs us speak that a few r doing is super fustrating u have no idea if anyone with severely autistic child has autism themselves.

cantdothisnow1 · 18/12/2020 11:42

[quote farawayplanet]@heydoggee

External appearances are very important to them and they would prefer that their charges don't look like this. Worth is based on outward appearance.[/quote]
Again you are reading something that isn't there.

No one has said they are upset by the way their children look on this thread.

Duggeehugs82 · 18/12/2020 11:42

Also its great when people see autism as positive thing in there life. However thats not a fact. Thats an opnion. Others dont always agree. And u know what thats ok to think that. Its not wrong.

cantdothisnow1 · 18/12/2020 11:43

@Duggeehugs82

This them vs us speak that a few r doing is super fustrating u have no idea if anyone with severely autistic child has autism themselves.
Given the genetic links I'd imagine that many of us NT mothers are undiagnosed autistics.

But this doesn't fit the dialogue.

farawayplanet · 18/12/2020 11:43

Attitudes on this thread demonstrate that most people believe that autism is a blight and it would be better if such people didn't exist - both because life is difficult for them and also because their parents didn't choose such a life and find it difficult. All in all, the belief is that it would be preferable for autism to no longer be a thing.

Duggeehugs82 · 18/12/2020 11:44

Thats exactly what i was thinking! cantdothisnow

Sirzy · 18/12/2020 11:45

Any parent would take away their child’s struggles if they could wouldn’t they?

tootiredtospeak · 18/12/2020 11:45

It's so unfair to suggest that what is being said is you don't deserve to exist we all have people we love who are autistic. I am saying that if genetic selection advanced to eradicate autism I agree with that due to the severity of how it can present and the suffering of causes some autistic people. I don't believe it's a personality nuance but a disability. I don't believe enough adaptations are possible to prevent the suffering of some autistic people and I have not yet heard anything to convince me otherwise. I then feel annoyed that that is twisted to suggest I am a poor parent and wish people dead. I wish people a choice how they chose is entirely up to them.

cantdothisnow1 · 18/12/2020 11:45

@farawayplanet

Attitudes on this thread demonstrate that most people believe that autism is a blight and it would be better if such people didn't exist - both because life is difficult for them and also because their parents didn't choose such a life and find it difficult. All in all, the belief is that it would be preferable for autism to no longer be a thing.
Autism is a blight for my son, it isn't for my daughter.

He wishes he didn't have it. He's 14 and has suicidal periods. Apologies that HIS experience of autism offends you.

Duggeehugs82 · 18/12/2020 11:45

@farawayplanet

Attitudes on this thread demonstrate that most people believe that autism is a blight and it would be better if such people didn't exist - both because life is difficult for them and also because their parents didn't choose such a life and find it difficult. All in all, the belief is that it would be preferable for autism to no longer be a thing.
U mean some people, dont assumme thats everyone who's has a negative experience of autism thinks that
heydoggee · 18/12/2020 11:46

@farawayplanet

Attitudes on this thread demonstrate that most people believe that autism is a blight and it would be better if such people didn't exist - both because life is difficult for them and also because their parents didn't choose such a life and find it difficult. All in all, the belief is that it would be preferable for autism to no longer be a thing.
Yup. 100% this. The description of the adult with Down's syndrome was incredibly upsetting.
cantdothisnow1 · 18/12/2020 11:46

@Sirzy

Any parent would take away their child’s struggles if they could wouldn’t they?
Apparently that is 'wrong think' akin to wishing all autistics were dead.
farawayplanet · 18/12/2020 11:46

Most autistic people are able to self care. Does this mean that we should be screened out because a small proportion have poor self care?

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