Page 14 | To wonder why the f* people still think vaccines cause autism?

coolitcathy · 2020-12-16T16:18:08+00:00

Name changed for privacy reasons. Stumbled across a Facebook group about "parents against vaccines" a few minutes ago which suggested, nay STATED, that vaccines cause autism and are essentially poison. I think the hysteria is potentially getting worse due to this Covid vaccination that's getting rolled out at the mo. Is anyone still infuriated or is the anger dying down now as we all get distracted by something else happening? Also why is autism seen as such a bad thing? (If you're anti vax I'm open to you sharing your viewpoints but I haven't seen any information that makes me consider that outlook)

ForestNymph · 17/12/2020 14:27

I'm not being goady.

You don't get it because you aren't in the group constantly being targeted by stuff like this. Tone policing minority groups isn't a good look.

Duggeehugs82 · 17/12/2020 14:31

@heydoggee

The parent carer would ideally be supported too *@Duggeehugs82*

Ideally being the word. But even if supported do they have a great life? its a genuine question

cantdothisnow1 · 17/12/2020 14:32

But I am, it matters to me how autistics are perceived as my children are autistic.

I have sympathy with your position until you discount anyone else's experience.

And you are being goady. You are also not showing autism in a very positive light by blaming NTs for all of your problems and by saying that if autistics have issues it's because of the way their NT parents and society treats them.

Many of us are doing our best.

Duggeehugs82 · 17/12/2020 14:33

Also ideally their life would be great with right support however everyone knows we dont live in ideal world.

cantdothisnow1 · 17/12/2020 14:34

You are hitting at the wrong people Earlier in the thread your parent judging was on a par with what i saw in the school system. Autistic child unhappy = crap parenting.

LizzieAnt · 17/12/2020 14:35

@ForestNymph
You're still refusing to listen to anyone else's experience on this thread. It's not all about you, you're being very arrogant and dismissive of others (ironic isn't it).

Tinselandbaubauls · 17/12/2020 14:35

@Kaliorphic - exactly right. I’d give anything, absolutely anything to take away my boys autism. It’s not who he is, it’s something he has. He has very high needs and will never ever be independent in any way, shape or form. He’s already a fully grown adult and as the years have gone on it’s gotten harder and harder. He has a limited life and as parents we have absolutely no life at all. As we are getting older the stress and worry over the future just gets worse. Only upside of lockdown is that for us nothing has changed except wearing a mask !

ForestNymph · 17/12/2020 14:35

@cantdothisnow1

But I am, it matters to me how autistics are perceived as my children are autistic.

I have sympathy with your position until you discount anyone else's experience.

And you are being goady. You are also not showing autism in a very positive light by blaming NTs for all of your problems and by saying that if autistics have issues it's because of the way their NT parents and society treats them.

Many of us are doing our best.

Its not the same. My children are biracial; i am invested in ensuring racism disappears however I will never know what it actually feels like to be denigrated for your ethnicity in that way. I can empathise but it isn't quite the same. Same as this - if you aren't autistic, you don't know what its like to read shite constantly about how you are basically a defective NT, should be wiped out the gene pool, are a burden, an inconvenience, lesser etc. It gets old. Quickly.

Thats also a bit the token minority there. The autistic has to be on best behaviour at all times because I represent All Autistics but when an NT does something they only represent themselves. Again, its tiresome.

I appreciate you are doing your best. Its a societal issue rather than individual parental one

ForestNymph · 17/12/2020 14:36

[quote Tinselandbaubauls]@Kaliorphic - exactly right. I’d give anything, absolutely anything to take away my boys autism. It’s not who he is, it’s something he has. He has very high needs and will never ever be independent in any way, shape or form. He’s already a fully grown adult and as the years have gone on it’s gotten harder and harder. He has a limited life and as parents we have absolutely no life at all. As we are getting older the stress and worry over the future just gets worse. Only upside of lockdown is that for us nothing has changed except wearing a mask ![/quote]
There isn't another child in there trapped by autism, just waiting to get out. Autism shapes who you are. You just don't want to accept it.

Tinselandbaubauls · 17/12/2020 14:41

@Lovemusic33 - my mum was told the same, by a doctor, that she shouldn’t get my brother vaccinated against pertussis due to their being epilepsy in the family. She didn’t until he was 2 1/2 as she was told bt another doctors that it wasn’t the case. 10 minutes after being vaccinated he was fighting for his life after suffering anaphylactic shock. Years later my nephew was vaccinated developed seizures within a day or so. He has lifelong learning disabilities as he has brain damage from the seizures.

cantdothisnow1 · 17/12/2020 14:41

Most people on here are not saying that they want to eradicate autism, they are saying that they wish their children didn't have the difficulties that come with it, there is a MASSIVE difference between the two.

You are making negative inferences where there are non and your dislike of NT's as a group is really shining through.

Duggeehugs82 · 17/12/2020 14:44

I personally dont think autism is a person as they r, i have dyslexia i would take it away in heart beat, it isnt who i am
Yes effects my life everyday from when im getting words mixed up when talking or forgetting things people say or effecting my awful organisation skills like missing appointments or keeping on top of housework. It is not part of me. I feel the same as my daughters autism. Yes it affects every aspect of her life. I think the most fustrating thing is. Yes might believe differently but that's ok as is mine opnion, im.nit wrong and u r right.

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coolitcathy · 17/12/2020 14:45

Autism affects your entire worldview and perception whereas (though dyslexia can have a major effect on an individual's life) it does not change your behaviour and perception of the world in the same way.

@Duggeehugs82

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ForestNymph · 17/12/2020 14:46

@cantdothisnow1

Most people on here are not saying that they want to eradicate autism, they are saying that they wish their children didn't have the difficulties that come with it, there is a MASSIVE difference between the two.

You are making negative inferences where there are non and your dislike of NT's as a group is really shining through.

There is a difference between the two, but there are several people that have said the former and thats what I'm taking an issue with.

I don't dislike all NTs. Do I dislike the way a lot of them assume they're correct simply because they're the majority and detest any difference, eccentricity or non conformity? Yes.

cantdothisnow1 · 17/12/2020 14:47

Thats also a bit the token minority there. The autistic has to be on best behaviour at all times because I represent All Autistics but when an NT does something they only represent themselves. Again, its tiresome.

This is where you are losing me. You ARE claiming to speak for all autistics by discounting the experience of others.

If you said that this is my experience but I appreciate that others may see things differently you wouldn't be getting the responses that you are getting on here.

So to state this is to have your cake an eat it.

ForestNymph · 17/12/2020 14:47

@Duggeehugs82

I personally dont think autism is a person as they r, i have dyslexia i would take it away in heart beat, it isnt who i am Yes effects my life everyday from when im getting words mixed up when talking or forgetting things people say or effecting my awful organisation skills like missing appointments or keeping on top of housework. It is not part of me. I feel the same as my daughters autism. Yes it affects every aspect of her life. I think the most fustrating thing is. Yes might believe differently but that's ok as is mine opnion, im.nit wrong and u r right.

Dyslexia is a bit different because it doesn't affect who you are and how you see the world.

If my senses were different and my mind worked in a different way, I would be somebody else.

ForestNymph · 17/12/2020 14:48

@cantdothisnow1

Thats also a bit the token minority there. The autistic has to be on best behaviour at all times because I represent All Autistics but when an NT does something they only represent themselves. Again, its tiresome.

This is where you are losing me. You ARE claiming to speak for all autistics by discounting the experience of others.

If you said that this is my experience but I appreciate that others may see things differently you wouldn't be getting the responses that you are getting on here.

So to state this is to have your cake an eat it.

I said earlier that most adult autistics tend to agree with me but you will find a small number who don't, so I don't think I am speaking for all autistics? I'm describing how autism works and how society discriminates against us, but I'm not saying my sensory issues or specific traits are universal?

cantdothisnow1 · 17/12/2020 14:50

I don't assume I'm correct because I'm NT my views of autism have completely changed and my life has completely changed because I am the mother of two autistics.

Where has anyone stated, on here that they 'detest any difference, eccentricity or non conformity' ? I must have missed that?

ForestNymph · 17/12/2020 14:51

@cantdothisnow1

I don't assume I'm correct because I'm NT my views of autism have completely changed and my life has completely changed because I am the mother of two autistics.

Where has anyone stated, on here that they 'detest any difference, eccentricity or non conformity' ? I must have missed that?

No one has stated that. Its something autistics learn from how others treat us, unfortunately.

cantdothisnow1 · 17/12/2020 14:51

My daughter is both autistic and profoundly dyslexic. We have no idea whether her executive functioning difficulties and processing difficulties derive from being autistic or being dyslexic. There are overlaps.

Duggeehugs82 · 17/12/2020 14:52

I can see ur point, and agree to some extent however i totally would make the issues my child has to function mainly her sensory needs that completely overrides her being able to fuction away, it greatly impacts her life and us as a family.

ForestNymph · 17/12/2020 14:52

I don't mean on this thread either. I mean from someone deciding it was fair game to trash my stuff because I preferred reading batman comics at lunchtime to socialising, or attacking me from behind because I didn't want to join in any games, or coordinating physical attacks against me on my way home because I wasn't interested in celebrity gossip.

cantdothisnow1 · 17/12/2020 14:54

@ForestNymph

I don't mean on this thread either. I mean from someone deciding it was fair game to trash my stuff because I preferred reading batman comics at lunchtime to socialising, or attacking me from behind because I didn't want to join in any games, or coordinating physical attacks against me on my way home because I wasn't interested in celebrity gossip.

all of this is terrible but NT children get bullied too.

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coolitcathy · 17/12/2020 14:55

all of this is terrible but NT children get bullied too.

Oof.

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ForestNymph · 17/12/2020 14:56

@Duggeehugs82

I can see ur point, and agree to some extent however i totally would make the issues my child has to function mainly her sensory needs that completely overrides her being able to fuction away, it greatly impacts her life and us as a family.

I do understand. It is frustrating and the support is basically non existent. There should be more out there for families with autistic kids.