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To ask you to reassure me that my own secondary school experience is not the norm for most children?

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crazyrabbit · 13/12/2020 22:29

I am feeling quite anxious about sending my child to school. My own experience was horrible and I really want better for my dc. I have been considering private, but with little experience of the private sector, I am not sure if this will resolve some of my worries or not. The available state schools around us are very average. I don't know if my own experience is perhaps clouding my judgement.

My own secondary school was in an area with a high level of deprivation. Quite a few of the children had emotional and behavioural difficulties, and this would effect the quality of teaching and the environment. The teachers would spend more time managing challenging behaviour and less time teaching. Bullying was common and it feels like it was often ignored, I also witnessed a few assaults. Looking back I feel there was an element of misogyny as there was a group of three boys in YR 7 & 8 who would target the girls; they would frequently hit, shove, slap, etc and I actually witnessed one of them force his hands down a YR 7 girl's trousers.

Some of the teachers were excellent, some were disinterested, but even the excellent teachers had their teaching dampened by challenging behaviours and an environment that did not support learning. There was no pushing the children to achieve their full potential, if you managed a C grade you were not encouraged to improve and you were instead left to get on with it, as other children needed the help more. Music, art and sport were unrepresented in the curriculum. I think when I left that school just under 20% of the children were achieving the 5 basic GCSE's. The school has since been transformed into an academy.

OP posts:
Bluegreen70 · 13/12/2020 22:30

sadly, this sounds very common

Bluegreen70 · 13/12/2020 22:31

transforming into an academy just means problem children are pushed elsewhere

hibbledibble · 13/12/2020 22:34

I'm not sure what the norm is, but I witnessed similar in a comprehensive, minus the violence and misogyny, as it was all girls. It felt like a dumping ground.

I do worry about secondary education. I would love to be able to afford private, but it will never be attainable.

crazyrabbit · 13/12/2020 22:38

If going private meant my dc would not have to deal with everything I mentioned above then I would definitely do it. It would be a big sacrifice for us, but it would be worth it. However I am not convinced that going private automatically mean that dc has a better experience.

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Dogsaresomucheasier · 13/12/2020 22:46

If the area is deprived and challenging going private can help a lot, but your expectations at home have a bigger influence on your children than anyone else. If you can set high expectations and advocate for them they will be fine.

If state is your only option (it is ours!) look for a school that teaches the core subjects in sets and push your child to be in the top ones.
Is communication with parents good? Can you monitor homework closely and make sure it’s done?

IrisAnon · 13/12/2020 22:50

Bullying happens everywhere, but if you’re at a decent private school, they take action very quickly and will expel offenders. It’s one of the reasons I now have both at private - neither were ‘bullied’ further than a few usual minor incidents and in both cases I couldn’t fault the response of the schools after my emails. Quick and effective. Very different to our state experience.
I sympathise OP as my old school sounded similar to yours.

5zeds · 13/12/2020 22:51

Direct experience of 5 secondaries (large family) non like you describe.

Rosebel · 13/12/2020 23:22

I didn't experience this at secondary school but I'm not happy with my children's secondary school.
Lot of bullying that is never sorted, very little encouragement or feedback and there have been a few incidents of serious physical assaults.
There is quite a number of children with additional needs and the vast majority of teachers just aren't given the support or training to help them.
Mind you we live on the edge of a city in a large town. I went to secondary school in a small town with all local children. I don't think private would have been any better. Ime location is key.

Lucyccfc68 · 13/12/2020 23:29

We are in a similar deprived area with a bog standard state school. Academically my son is doing extremely well. There have been some instances of bullying but the school have been fantastic. I can’t fault the pastoral care he has received. There are lots of kids in the school with behavioural issues and incidents of police turning up.

My friends DS attends an independent grammar (with a good reputation). He has done very well academically, but the school have been shocking with pastoral care and bullying. He is gay and has even been bullied and received homophobic comments from teachers. Police have been called to school due to Y11’s dealing drugs.

Just because a school is independent or private doesn’t automatically make it better. Do your research on each school.

Wearywithteens · 13/12/2020 23:29

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oldshoeuk · 13/12/2020 23:30

Sounds like a very normal secondary school experience to me, at least that sums up my own history. My current local secondary has a dreadful reputation for bullying and suicides.

My eldest DS goes private (we can't really afford it), he assures me that to his knowledge there is zero bullying. The school has spoken to us parents at presentations about their discipline procedures and standards, honestly they scare me slightly!

Haworthia · 13/12/2020 23:35

Sounds very similar to the comp I attended. The five A*-C rate was, at best, about 24%.

I’m not saying it was normal though, I don’t think it was. I’d say it was at the bad end of the scale.

I was SUCH an academic kid and can’t believe I ended up going there. But this was the early 90s and it was my local school so... I went there.

I totally understand why you’re scared of secondary schools today. I am too. The impact of social media upon bullying/sexual harassment horrifies me. But I do at least know that I’ll shop around for my kids and not necessarily send them to the local on. I’m actually very against sending my kids to the local comp, even though it’s apparently very good. It’s a hang up to my own schooldays I think!

DonkeyMcFluff · 13/12/2020 23:42

I have the same concerns OP. I live in an area with high levels of deprivation. My school had a lot of kids with difficulties that the school wasn’t equipped to address, there was a lot of bullying and violence which the school ignored, and teaching was poor quality because of the issues with behaviour. Basically all they did was put nice kids in a room with violent disturbed kids, like putting Christians in with lions, and then they just left them to be eaten. But hey, as long as it ticked a box for complying with government policy to have kids in school, then it’s all ok right? It caused lifelong trauma for me.

I’m worried that my own DC will have the same experience. I can’t afford private school which I think would ensure they didn’t encounter the worst of the problem children. I can’t even afford a house in a better area near a better school. I’m fully prepared to give up everything and home school if I need to, because I refuse to allow my DC to go through what I went through. It’s extremely worrying and I’m trying not to think about it because we haven’t reached that stage yet.

DougRossIsTheBoss · 13/12/2020 23:52

I guess it depends where you live and depends on the school.
My DD loves her bog standard state comp. She has lovely friends and comes home happy every day and buzzing about what she's learnt.

The school is in what would be regarded to be a bad area for this town (although it probably doesn't compare at all to some other towns and cities) and there were some scary incidents of anti social behaviour from pupils outside school hours leading to police action last year.

I felt scared for her and questioned my choices after that but she insisted it doesn't affect her and begs me not to move her and so far I am glad I didn't (Y9)

DougRossIsTheBoss · 13/12/2020 23:57

That also endlessly lecture the pupils and parents on discipline policies and it all seems very strict to me.

She has a report card that can be endorsed with behaviour points for such sins as 'eye rolling' 'uniform violation' and 'inappropriate hand gesture' and you get a detention after a certain number (or if you conveniently lose the card) so I guess they have a zero tolerance policy.

CookieDoughKid · 13/12/2020 23:59

Are you me OP ? I had very similar experience growing up in an inner city London comp. It was awful and I was traumatized for years. To the extent I vowed to never let my children have a similar experience. I self taught both mine and they have got into Grammar school. It is the best place for mine. They thrive academically and they are surrounded by like minded children. Bullying almost non existent and I interviewed the head of departments at length. I also asked a lot about environment, teaching, bullying during school open days, asking the students themselves. If they didn't pass grammar, I would have held down two jobs to pay for private. Luckily it worked out well for us.

Titsywoo · 14/12/2020 00:00

Not too far off what my DC see at school. Dd was sexually assaulted at 15 (the boy was expelled). It's a nice area with pockets of deprivation but so many of the kids seem badly behaved. I went to a private school so I've found it all shocking - dh went to a state school and isn't surprised. If I could go back I'd find a way to pay for private.

DougRossIsTheBoss · 14/12/2020 00:01

There's lots of art, music, dance, sports clubs, STEM etc at DDs school too. I mean I can't get her to go to them but they are all there.

DougRossIsTheBoss · 14/12/2020 00:04

My dsis is a literary editor and she was well impressed by their reading scheme and book choices. She wanted to write and congratulate them. I am a total Philistine AMA have no idea but she knows her onions and she reckoned it was good.

Originalsauce · 14/12/2020 00:06

Totally school dependant.

Swings and roundabouts isn’t it. Private schools have their own issues, high levels of MH problems and eating disorders amongst girls, drugs, kids have more disposable income, kids whose parents scrape the fees together never really fit in.

Bullying in normal schools is the same as it’s always been. I would say less sexual violence. I’ve had 2 through secondary and never had any issues but realise I was lucky

DonkeyMcFluff · 14/12/2020 00:09

kids whose parents scrape the fees together never really fit in
This is my concern. Even if I bankrupt myself to pay for private school it still won’t be enough. So we are stuck with state school.

DougRossIsTheBoss · 14/12/2020 00:10

I think you just have to go and visit and ask qs and if you don't like what you see then keep the private option in your back pocket. Not all state schools are shit though.

I did choose state on ideological grounds because how will such places ever improve if all the middle class bright kids flee to private schools. There needs to be a critical mass of better kids to influence things positively and I think there are at DDs school.
I have worried about my choice at times though I'll admit.

missperegrinespeculiar · 14/12/2020 00:22

I would only go private if there were no good public schools in my area, but if you can afford private then surely you are living in an ok area?

I'd sooner move than go private, if at all possible

I hated my private, posh all girls school, snobby and awfully bitchy.

Shastabeast · 14/12/2020 00:24

My school was similar and I hate that private isn’t an option - we can afford it with sacrifices but DD has autism/ADHD and wouldn’t be selected. Nor do I think they’d necessarily be better for her anyway. Our options are single sex so at least there’s less chance of sexual harassment which I experienced at school. But girls can be terrible for bullying. I’m still very scarred by my own school years, I’m petrified for my ASD child in the smartphone age.

RosesAndHellebores · 14/12/2020 00:30

The op has perfectly described the holy grail, outstanding, cofe comp dd attended for two years. It was an absolute disgrace and was like "A Tale of Two Cities" with different expectations depending on background. Dreadful place.

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