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No deal is the height of irresponsibility

56 replies

Songsofexperience · 11/12/2020 09:38

It's a terrible outcome for regular people and our livelihoods. It's bad for basically everything.
So gutted for this country, really.
Merry fucking Christmas

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Orangeblossom77777 · 11/12/2020 09:40

The UK is trying it's best but the EU is giving unreasonable demands so unfortunately this is the position right now.

Songsofexperience · 11/12/2020 09:42

No. The UK wants access to a market without any strings attached. There are always trade offs involved in a trade deal.

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thedaytodayyesterday · 11/12/2020 09:43

Completely agree. I feel like we are going through with it just to save face not for any tangible benefit

ComDummings · 11/12/2020 09:44

This is what MPs supporting brexit wanted all along

Dazedandconfused28 · 11/12/2020 09:46

@Orangeblossom77777

The UK is trying it's best but the EU is giving unreasonable demands so unfortunately this is the position right now.
The EU is protecting the bloc - we always knew this would be the way. Everyone with an ounce of intellect could have foreseen this. We are no longer a member, we won't get preferential treatment - if we did it would encourage others to leave.
Songsofexperience · 11/12/2020 09:48

This is what MPs supporting brexit wanted all along

Agree and that's terribly irresponsible. Especially amid a pandemic. I was made redundant in June. The new boss of the company I worked for implemented a strategy he wanted all along at precisely the worse possible time for me and my colleagues. Gutting right? Now it's like that shit is happening to the whole country.

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CherryPavlova · 11/12/2020 09:49

@Orangeblossom77777

The UK is trying it's best but the EU is giving unreasonable demands so unfortunately this is the position right now.
Oh please.
Hayeahnobut · 11/12/2020 09:50

@Orangeblossom77777 What compromise has the UK offered? Where have the UK negotiators been for the past four years? Please be specific in your answer, tell us in what way the UK is trying to negotiate a mutually beneficial agreement. I'm trusting that you know these answers, and you're not simply spewing out whatever the media tells you.

AlexaShutUp · 11/12/2020 09:55

The UK is trying it's best but the EU is giving unreasonable demands so unfortunately this is the position right now.

It really worries me how easily people have bought into this narrative.

We need to dramatically improve the teaching of critical thinking skills in our schools, there is no hope for democracy if people are so ill-equipped to make sense of the issues.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/12/2020 09:56

@Songsofexperience

No. The UK wants access to a market without any strings attached. There are always trade offs involved in a trade deal.
Don't be so naive!

The EU also wants the same kind of access and their own best interest rade offs.

Stalemate was always on the cards.

That's what all the politicking was about in the first place. Problem was Cameron et al misjudged the political temperature here and various EU leaders, European heads, have done the same. Bluffs have been called many times over, and will be again and again and again until the law runs out.

Anyone with an iota of sense could see this coming. I've said as mivh here and in RL for a few years now... always been told I don't understand, or am a brainwashed Brexiteer, or Remainer, depending on the other person's ideology!

This isn't a trade deal being negotiated. The EU needs to survive the first country leaving. The UK needs not to give up anything, not even the smallest thing. Both to save face, stall civil unrest and upheaval of political systems.

Had we had any honest polticians who could have worked properly on a deal that both sides could live with this would all have been done and dusted a couple of years ago. Gentlemans handshake, nod to the bits that need further wrangling and everyone moves on.

But no! We found willy wavers all around. Sycophants willing to make things worse for self aggrandisement and populations across Europe willing to fall back on jingiosm and historical enmity when fed it by an ever gleeful media!

Who knows what the fuck will happen? (best answer, nodody but we all have our guesses). But it will be a long term polotical disaster that all sides will fall over themselves trying to obfuscate... and maybe Covid will be the perfect smoke screen for long enough!

Holding to a partisan side is daft. Whatever happens, whatver the outcome, the whole thing has been a fucking disaster made worse by the arrogance of people supposedly representing their countries.

VettiyaIruken · 11/12/2020 09:57

Yup but what did people expect?
UK chose to leave. Fair enough. But they don't then get to dictate terms. The EU doesn't have to obey the UK. They can say no if they want to, whether or not the people of the UK think they aren't being fair, or reasonable, or whatever word people choose to replace the word obedient. I think far too many people don't realise we are not actually the boss of the EU and that "fair enough, off you fuck, have fun" was always a possibility.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 11/12/2020 09:58

voting leave was the height of irresponsibility

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/12/2020 10:00

@VettiyaIruken

Yup but what did people expect? UK chose to leave. Fair enough. But they don't then get to dictate terms. The EU doesn't have to obey the UK. They can say no if they want to, whether or not the people of the UK think they aren't being fair, or reasonable, or whatever word people choose to replace the word obedient. I think far too many people don't realise we are not actually the boss of the EU and that "fair enough, off you fuck, have fun" was always a possibility.
The point is that you can reverse all of those points and still have a valid arguement!

You don't have to see the UK as a recalcitrant child brooking its betters. But somehow that has become a commonplace meme!

Just as the Tyranny of the EU has become a similarly strong image!

There was always a less combative way to do this - that may have led to it not being done at all!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/12/2020 10:01

@EveryDayIsADuvetDay

voting leave was the height of irresponsibility
No! Putting to to the vote was!
cologne4711 · 11/12/2020 10:02

I agree, it's all about mainly male politicians strutting their stuff. They are so arrogant, they really think making money for their toffy friends is more important than the wellbeing of tens of millions of people.

I'm not massively more impressed with the EU side though - there are millions of EU citizens in the UK who they seem happy enough to leave to food shortages over fish.

As for Macron...

A plague on all their houses (oh dear maybe that's not the thing to say this year, but a particularly big visit to David Cameron for setting off this nonsense in the first place).

wimhoffbreather · 11/12/2020 10:02

Letting the UK population take part in a referendum no one asked for was the height of irresponsibility

Viviennemary · 11/12/2020 10:04

No deal is better than signing up to a deal which is no better than staying in. Out means out not signing up to their daft rules.

MoMuntervary · 11/12/2020 10:11

It doesn't really matter whether the EU are being good-natured and fair or spiteful blackmailers. The simple reality is that they are a powerful, experienced trading bloc and we are a lone country. The UK voted to give up it's power when it voted to leave that bloc and now it's facing the consequences of that.

Circusoflove · 11/12/2020 10:13

Totally agree. I don’t know what else to say. It’s a terrible situation. Its unbelievable that we’re in this position for absolutely no good reason.

Songsofexperience · 11/12/2020 10:13

No deal is better than signing up to a deal which is no better than staying in. Out means out not signing up to their daft rules.

It would only make sense if we kept a similar quality of life and weren't bound to suffer significant economic losses. We know the consequences are dire.

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Hayeahnobut · 11/12/2020 10:16

No deal is better than signing up to a deal which is no better than staying in.

We had a great deal. There was never going to be a better deal than the one we already had.

Allthestarsarecloser · 11/12/2020 10:20

Honestly, none of this is the EU’s fault. They didn’t create a stupid ignorant referendum question with no thought for the consequences.

This shit show is ENTIRELY at the door of tory party

AlexaShutUp · 11/12/2020 10:30

There was never going to be a better deal than the one we already had.

Yes, this is the bottom line. No matter what happens with regard to deal or no deal, we'll be worse off than we were. I hope that those who wanted their blue passports so badly will feel that it was worth all of the sacrifices that we as a nation are going to have to make.

SonjaMorgan · 11/12/2020 10:32

I am concerned about the impacts of the government not agreeing a deal with regards to the level playing field more than anything. Everyone seems so focused on the here and now and short term implications. What will happen to workers rights that have been slowly eroded due to loop holes and zero hour contracts? My DC face far different issues entering the workforce than I did. I feel sad for young people. Not only will they potentially leave education during a horrible recession but also without the rights that we have taken for granted.

TheKeatingFive · 11/12/2020 10:35

There was never going to be a better deal than the one we already had.

Yes!!! It beggars belief that the brexiteers didn’t understand this.

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