Are people right to be worried about the vaccine?

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I had a "good tempered" argument with DP last night. He says theres no way hes putting something in his body that hasnt undergone all the checks and tests and says that normally vaccines take 20 years to approve.

I think that when I have a choice between a known negative (covid) and an unknown (vaccine) I will always take the unknown.

In response he says people have forgotten a minuscule proportion of people actually suffer from covid. He says this is all about money (however he is a conspiracy theorist...)

What do you think about the vaccine and the speed of it?

Also vote:
YABU = I will not be getting the vaccine
YANBU = I will be getting the vaccine

People should not be worried
Anti vac just shows a lack of anti social responsibility and an utter lack of any understanding re science.

Sorry to say it’s a simple as that.

@AgentJohnson
I'm confused you're confused. Where did I say this was surprising? It absolutely isn't surprising, he is a conspiracy theorist and yes, it is exasperating. On some of the more ambiguous things such as the vaccine, I will debate with him. On some of the more frankly ridiculous things, I dont bother and he has learnt not to bother engaging me in his crackpot theories. He isnt convinced the moon walk ever happened, he watches videos highlighting things like that triangle shape made by public figures' hands (is it the freemasons?), he believes BLM was started by the Russians, and my personal favourite: he isnt convinced that dinosaurs ever existed 😂🤦‍♀️

I will be getting the vaccine, but only after everyone on here who is so keen to get it has had the jab and I’m sure they’ve suffered no ill effects

You only have to remember Thalidomide to see there is some sense in holding back with using new meds until a few years have shown up any issues.

Says it’s like thalidomide shoes an utter lack of understanding to be honest and Frank

Thalidomide was not a vaccine. Vaccines work in a completely different way to drugs that you take on a regular basis - they enter the body, do their thing, then dissipate within a very short time.

This is why long-term effects are so unlikely. There's nothing to give that long-term effect, because the vaccine has left your system.

[quote CutToChase]@AgentJohnson
I'm confused you're confused. Where did I say this was surprising? It absolutely isn't surprising, he is a conspiracy theorist and yes, it is exasperating. On some of the more ambiguous things such as the vaccine, I will debate with him. On some of the more frankly ridiculous things, I dont bother and he has learnt not to bother engaging me in his crackpot theories. He isnt convinced the moon walk ever happened, he watches videos highlighting things like that triangle shape made by public figures' hands (is it the freemasons?), he believes BLM was started by the Russians, and my personal favourite: he isnt convinced that dinosaurs ever existed 😂🤦‍♀️[/quote]
Goodness, how can you cope with this level of idiocy?

I am 26 and in a low-risk category, therefore I am willing to risk contractong Covid

And also willing to pass it on to people who are in higher risk categories, @UnwantedOpinionBelow? How lovely of you.

And also willing to pass it on to people who are in higher risk categories, @UnwantedOpinionBelow? How lovely of you.

It is not the fault of any one person that viruses attack the bodies of the elderly and sick. We need to stop pretending that this is the fault of younger, healthier people (we were, most of us, in that position once) who quite rightly look to their own health first. If they are concerned about the long-term implications of a vaccine (rightly or wrongly) they are entitled not to have it. This whining attitude of “do it for the rest of us” is completely unfair.

It is not the fault of any one person that viruses attack the bodies of the elderly and sick.

Refusing to take a simple precaution that protects other people from a horrible illness purely because "I'm all right Jack" really is the fault of the person in question.

Refusing to take a simple precaution that protects other people from a horrible illness purely because "I'm all right Jack" really is the fault of the person in question.

It isn’t. A vaccine is a medical treatment. It isn’t simple (as we know - it’s taken billions of pounds and probably millions of lab hours to make it). You are trying to characterise it that way to fit in with a guilt agenda and pressurise other people to take it. But nobody should be forced into accepting a treatment about which they have concerns. If you are at a stage in your life when you are naturally more vulnerable to viruses, factor that into your own decision. Don’t start blaming healthy people because they aren’t putting you before their own health.*

*And I probably will have it. The above still stands.

I'm undecided but feel its completely reasonable for people to decide.what to do with their own bodies.

Biggest problem in getting people to take the vaccine will be the lack of trust because the experts have already misled the public about the projected figures.

Also some people will be of the opinion that if they didnt watch the.news they wouldn't know there was a pandemic. I work in a hospital and I only know 2 people who have had it, neither seriously

I also agree.with pp that the guilt tripping is awful. We all do what is best for ourselves first and foremost

From my understanding from an work email I was reading. The vaccine once you have had it doesn’t guarantee that you can’t pass Covid onto others.

@Torvean32

The vaccine is tested and had to pass stringent medical regulations. It's safe. I've no idea why ppl are suddenly such medical experts.

FWIW I'm taking part in a vaccine trial as are thousands of others.
Some of us have sacrificed to try and get this country back to a kind of normality
The conspiracy theories need to be deleted every time they are put on public forums.

I agree.

he thinks that the government is out to get us I think that's your problem right there, OP.

But if I don't get the vaccine, catch covid, then pass it on to others, the only people who may be affected and get symptoms are those who havent been vaccinated. Not the elderly or otherwise vulnerable as they would have been vaccinated and have a 95% chance of not getting symptoms.
I don't see how you can argue it's selfish to choose not to get it. It can only be selfish if you're vulnerable and don't get it as you're more likely to become sick and need hospital care.

I had the vaccine on Thursday didn't even have a sore arm like I did with the flu vaccine . I'm glad I've had it as I want an end to all off this . Everything has its risks I suppose

@turfsausage

But if I don't get the vaccine, catch covid, then pass it on to others, the only people who may be affected and get symptoms are those who havent been vaccinated. Not the elderly or otherwise vulnerable as they would have been vaccinated and have a 95% chance of not getting symptoms. I don't see how you can argue it's selfish to choose not to get it. It can only be selfish if you're vulnerable and don't get it as you're more likely to become sick and need hospital care.

Like almost all vaccines there will be some people who can't have the vaccine for whatever reason, usually medical. Herd immunity relies on al those that can have it to do so. It protects those that can't.

If you add up those that can't and those that won't then we will be waiting a long time to see the back of this virus and the restrictions used to control it.

Like many things in life, it's not just about your personal safety. I don't see why this is so hard to understand. We've been living with this for almost a year. Surely some basic facts about how viruses and vaccines work are getting through to people.

I’m finding this thread a very depressing read.

If the vaccine wasn’t guaranteed safe it would not be being rolled out by government.
Many expert teams have worked extremely hard to get to this point for us ie. the whole population of the world.
The virus will continue to be a problem to all, while it can still spread. The reason that we no longer have small pox is because of mass vaccination. We want to get to the same point with COVID so that life can get back to normal. It’s an unpredictable virus and no one can predict who is going to get seriously unwell with it. Some vulnerable people worldwide won’t be able to access the vaccine for various reasons, and with some medical conditions the vaccine may not be as effective. If we are to eliminate Covid 19 harms, we need the maximum number of people possible to be vaccinated/immune at the same time so the vaccine doesn’t spread. Please, please think about this, or Covid will never go away. The phone lines for healthcare staff to get the vaccine are jammed.

I’ve had my first dose without issue. I’m a Consultant with multiple sclerosis.

I’m really unsure why people get so up in arms about vaccination when they take all kinds of other new medications (whether or not prescribed); and many drink over the recommended limits, in the full knowledge this will cause harm .

@CutToChase I don't know how to say this in a way that is remotely polite, so I'll just say it.
Why on earth are you in a relationship with someone so stupid???

If the vaccine wasn’t guaranteed safe it would not be being rolled out by government.

What guarantee do I get, then?

I'm 55. I've had many good years and lots of fun without the threat of this virus hanging over me. I'm going to have it not just for me but all the young people that need to enjoy life without this virus always being around. I feel duty bound to help stamp this virus out.

@DameCelia - definitely!