EU blackmailing the UK

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So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

@DGRossetti good graphic there. But do we think they really believed what they said? Surely anyone with half a brain knew it was going to be difficult to get a good deal? Were they purely lying to us, or was their supreme arrogance blinding them to the realities?

[quote Zilla1]@DGRossetti, but the will of the people wasn't that the spiteful EU would punish the UK. And that after paying into the club for decades. We all know who'll have the last laugh (and the fish).[/quote]
I am sure the will of the UK people wasn't so arrogant as to presume to tell the sovereign citizens of 27 other countries what they should do ?

No, it seems "the will of the people" was 52% of the UK population telling the other 48% that we won, get over it.

I'm still waiting to see what they won. Whatever it is, it's been the best kept secret of 2020. And 2019 come to think of it. And it was pretty indistinct in 2018.

[quote Zilla1]@DGRossetti, but the will of the people wasn't that the spiteful EU would punish the UK. And that after paying into the club for decades. We all know who'll have the last laugh (and the fish).[/quote]
You do realise this isn't a good thing considering the British don't eat a lot of the fish they catch and the majority of it is exported to the EU?

If we have higher costs due to customs delays this puts up the price of freezing it and makes it less fresh. Which also makes us a lot more uncompetitive.

This is pretty good news all round if you are a pesky French Fisherman, who is bothered about his income and not really fussed about concepts like British Feeling Like They Are Now Free.

The British having all the fish and no where to sell it, isn't a move which is terribly good for the industry.

The sentiment in this thread is a shining example of why we're so fucked up right now. Absolute moronic pseudo nationalism on display here.

@TrollTheRespawnJeremy I don't think @Zilla1 is being entirely serious

This is literally what the country voted for.

How insulting for Brexiteers to blame the EU for the mess we find ourselves in as a result of this vote.

This country is a laughing stock.

but the will of the people wasn't that the spiteful EU would punish the UK. And that after paying into the club for decades. We all know who'll have the last laugh (and the fish).

Please tell us how the ‘spiteful EU’ are ‘punishing’ us because I’m dying to know. If you can, please explain in full sentences (‘fish’ is not a sentence).

[quote Googlebrained]@DGRossetti good graphic there. But do we think they really believed what they said? Surely anyone with half a brain knew it was going to be difficult to get a good deal? Were they purely lying to us, or was their supreme arrogance blinding them to the realities?[/quote]
You have two perfectly good theories there. I am still undecided in Johnson's case whether its the half brain or the arrogance that led the way. In Gove's case, I'm fairly sure its just a pathological inability to do anything but lie and manage to keep a completely straight face whilst doing so. He's been very good at it on Covid related subjects and is Johnson's secret weapon when shit is hitting the fan 'DEPLOY THE GOVE TO THE PRESS. HE WILL LIE AND EVERYONE WILL JUST WATCH IN DISBELIEF AT THE SHEER AUDICITY'.

[quote Googlebrained]@DGRossetti good graphic there. But do we think they really believed what they said? Surely anyone with half a brain knew it was going to be difficult to get a good deal? Were they purely lying to us, or was their supreme arrogance blinding them to the realities?[/quote]
I didn't believe a word they said before those dates, and nothing has changed.

But clearly leavers did, and rather than coming on here and starting useless debates, why does the OP off and take their oh-so-faux indignation up with them. What on earth does the OP think a thread on MN is going to do except expose their paucity of reasoning for supporting Leave ?

Unless the OP is Boris Johnson. In which case I apologise sincerely for my tone and language thus far - it's been far too restrained and lacking in some anglo-saxon words to balance the finer Greek and Latin poets they are so used to. (Ovid being a firm grip favourite I imagine).

@Spittingchestnuts,

Brexiteers voted to put the UK through a self-inflicted downgrade - the 52% voted for the sunny uplands. Blue passports. Fish. To stop the wrong sort of free movement, not holiday home owners and their pets. They didn't vote for a down grade. They were told it would be better so they could go nerr nerr to the EU. That is if the EU lasts. So those benefits had better hurry up so they arrive before all the Member states leave the EU. They voted to stop all those judges making the Daily Mail, Telegraph and Spectator angry. Do you think the Daily Mail like getting angry? I expect they'd rather have happy stories. Royal babies.

I was in favour of the EU when it was a trading bloc. But not when they started telling us what to do. The Brexit vote was at a time when the media was depicting huge crowds of migrants in Calais, the EU was not stopping them and in fact was threatening that we’d have to take a quota against our wishes. Lots of people voted Leave because they were worried about being forced to resettle thousands of illegal immigrants and they felt let down by the EU allowing them passage to our shores. If the migrant crisis hadn’t happened I firmly believe we would not have voted Leave. Meanwhile the Remain campaign was whinging on about economic consequences and ignoring people who were saying they were willing to pay that price if it stopped the migrants.

The OP asked the internet.

The internet remembers.

OP - why are you berating the EU? They didn't resign from the Union, and 'The EU' is not some mythical monster living in Brussels - it is the body that represents 450 million people in 27 sovereign countries. They have given Barnier a mandate to negotiate a deal that is in the best interests of the 450 million people that he represents - not the 17 million British voters who want to leave the EU.

Surely you should be asking Johnson why he has not delivered any of the benefits that he promised - where is 'the easiest deal in history' that he so loudly proclaimed he would achieve?

Why has the UK spaffed £200bn on Brexit in the last four years - more than the country paid in to the EU in the last 40 years - and yet is in a worse position now than it was in 2016?

How did Johnson and May manage to appoint a succession of incompetent Brexit ministers; Davis, the man who claimed that he could negotiate a deal in a matter of days, who turned up to his first meeting with nothing but an empty briefcase and was shown the door; Raab, the angry man who did not know the significance of cross-Channel trade and could not find Dover; Barclay, who nobody remembers?

Why are you not asking Brexit-backing businessmen why they backed Brexit - and then decamped elsewhere? If Brexit was such a good idea, why did Dyson close the UK operations and move to Singapore? Why has Jim Ratcliffe at Ineos decided not to build a car factory in Wales after all and will build his British Grenadier cars in France instead?

Have you not considered the possibility that Johnson's great vision was pure fantasy? Attractive, compelling, seductive and well-marketed, but built on emotion and quite often on mis-information and an undeliverable fantasy all the same.

Go back and look at the pictures of Johnson the day after the referendum, when it dawned on him that he would actually have to deliver. He looks like he's shit himself. He knew then that he was in trouble, but rather than stop and take stock, he has decided (or been forced) to continue on this fool's errand.

Sadly, the Leavers, Remainers and Non-voters are all going to be paying for this folly for many years to come.

Very well said OP but will never be accepted by the predominantly remainer lefties on here.

How anyone can think it reasonable for the EU to have any control over the UK after we have left is in cloud cuckoo land.

It's time to say enough and walk away. All they are interested in is making it as tough for us as possible to discourage other EU countries from leaving. Fuck them.

@Collaborate

The sentiment in this thread is a shining example of why we're so fucked up right now. Absolute moronic pseudo nationalism on display here.

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OP, what reaction did you expect on this webiste? MN is the equivalent of the DM for polarised views!

So much bullying on mumsnet at the moment. Yet when it happens in schools everyone is up in arms .

Sometimes the Apple does not fall far from the tree.

@RedToothBrush, some Captain Hindsight might say the wrong sort of fish are caught in UK waters for UK consumers but fundamentally sovereign fish are better than non-sovereign fish. If the spiteful EU make it harder for their own citizens to buy good British fish then that's just another example of the EU acting against their own interests. They should have listened when the UK tell them what's in their interests.

@Unsure33 it's not bullying to disagree especially when it's political. This site is also anonymous so people can express their honest opinions it's not comparable to bullying which is of personal a nature.

Meanwhile the Remain campaign was whinging on about economic consequences and ignoring people who were saying they were willing to pay that price if it stopped the migrants.

There's something slightly uneasy about someone in a rich country (as Brexiteers keep banging on about) saying they would rather be "poor and pure" than "wealthy and accommodating". Not quite sure how that would play out in places in the world with no running water or sanitary facilities where the next meal is a "maybe"

Citizen: "We have little food. Little water. No medicine".
Brexiteer: "Think you have it bad ? We have water food and medicine, but we have to share it with foreigners !!!!"
Citizen: "Thanks for letting us know. So it's better we're poor ?"

Incidentally, PP I've reported your post. I have millions of posts where it was made 100% clear that Brexit was nothing to do with immigration. And that's on MN alone.

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@SabrinaThwaite

TBF anyone who gets their “news” from the Telegraph isn’t exactly getting a fair and balanced view on anything, so the batshittery on display isn’t unexpected.

This ^ some of my extended family are die in the wool Tories. I realise that by reading nothing but the Torygraph, you would have a very distored and one sided understanding of Brexit negotiations or anything else happening in the UK

Zilla1

Brexiteers voted to put the UK through a self-inflicted downgrade - the 52% voted for the sunny uplands. Blue passports. Fish. To stop the wrong sort of free movement, not holiday home owners and their pets. They didn't vote for a down grade. They were told it would be better so they could go nerr nerr to the EU. That is if the EU lasts. So those benefits had better hurry up so they arrive before all the Member states leave the EU. They voted to stop all those judges making the Daily Mail, Telegraph and Spectator angry. Do you think the Daily Mail like getting angry? I expect they'd rather have happy stories. Royal babies.

Eh? Keep taking the pills .
(If they aren't delayed in Kent owing to customs delays from the end of the year onwards.)

And by the way plenty of Leave voters were aware that they were trading wealth for sovereignty. They weren't all stupid were they?

[quote Zilla1]@RedToothBrush, some Captain Hindsight might say the wrong sort of fish are caught in UK waters for UK consumers but fundamentally sovereign fish are better than non-sovereign fish. If the spiteful EU make it harder for their own citizens to buy good British fish then that's just another example of the EU acting against their own interests. They should have listened when the UK tell them what's in their interests.[/quote]
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I don't understand how people in Britain (not all obviously) thought they could leave the EU with all of the perks but none of the "downsides"? What did you expect was going to happen?