EU blackmailing the UK

[houseinthesnow]

So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

@houseinthesnow Agree with your OP 100%. But you'll get very few people on your side on THIS website.

In the real world however, many people will agree to you. The fact that the LEAVE vote won, and the Tories got in again and again, proves that.

As far as I am concerned, the EU can take a long walk off a short pier. They are nothing but scum. Blackmailing, controlling, passive-aggressive, gaslighting pure scum. With each day that passes, I thank the Lord, that we voted to LEAVE.

Definitely agree the UK travel ban is going to sting them more than us

This comment and similar is being wheeled out a lot but I''m failing to see the logic in it TBH....and apologies right now if this is TL:DR but it needs to be said.

One example : Look at this from the airline POV.

Lets say there's a UK EU travel ban.

e.g. say a British based Airline loses all access from London to/from Paris/Frankfurt/Madrid etc etc and are only left with their internal UK and Long Haul routes.....

Internal UK. that might fare OK....as long as the domestic passengers aren't hoping to transfer onto a flight into Europe...

Long Haul...anybody actually bothered to look at the volume of transfer traffic London EU countries, short haul Long Haul flights..? Hint..it's a heck of a lot and a major money spinner for the likes of Heathrow Airport limited and airlines operating into and out of there.

With European transfer gone because of a travel ban, then what for UK operated long Haul..???

As far as the EU airlines are concerned sure they've lost London, Manchester, etc but they still have the ability to fly domestic routes, Long Haul routes, and international Short Haul within the EU.

Connecting traffic will route via Madrid/Paris/Frankfurt etc rather than London to pick up Long Haul flights

Ah but " holiday traffic"......well with a UK/EU travel ban who goes bust first? Those elements of the UK travel industry which "feeds" foreign resorts in the EU , or the foreign resorts which can reposition themselves to take advantage of the EU market...

But sure, fill yer boots, a UK travel ban really is going to hurt "them" much more then "us".

@contrmary

And the biggest plus of all - most Brexiteers will be furious about it. Win win.

That's the biggest plus - people being angry and turn further to the right?!

Well let's face it, for some senior Leavers this is actually a plus.

You've only got see where Farage has been putting himself about. I don't just mean flying to the US to stump for Trump and for Roy Moore who's been accused of sexual assault of teenagers. Farage is also publicly a fan of Viktor Orban in Hungary.

It's not hard to see how the Faragists will play this.

Having doomed the UK to an economic contraction even before Covid, and having caused an increase in migration from non-EU countries (if that happens, I'll believe it when I see it), I'm absolutely expecting Farage and his ilk to start hissing that it's the brown/foreign people who have caused the contraction in plucky Brits' living standards.

The far right will be expecting rich recruitment pickings from this.

If a centre-right party would step up and fill the void in politics in this country, I actually believe it would do very well. There's always been a big appetite for the centre right in the UK. But the Tories aren't showing any signs of doing that, and will continue to chase far-right votes, which is why the Faragists were describing themselves as in power but not in office.

Many people will agree WITH you. (not to you!)

And those of us who understood were laughed at and our concerns dismissed as Project Fear

Project Fear was aimed at the middle classes
The people I know who voted Leave felt that Project Fear either didn’t affect them or was a great thing.

Telling someone that their holiday costs would rise to someone who couldn’t afford to go on holiday.
There would be job losses when they don’t have a job and house prices would tumble when they couldn’t afford a house seemed like it wasn’t aimed at them. Or brilliant if house prices came down.

Why all this talk about Butlin's and eating beans? People don't have to holiday in Europe - I rarely do, preferring the USA, Dubai and the Caribbean. Seriously, which foods do you think you are going to be denied once we are out? Do you think the French won't send their cheeses or wines to us, knowing we are one of their best markets, ditto Italy and Germany.

Award for the best post on the thread goes to you. Truly, you have illustrated how the majority of Britons will be socially and economically better off in the short, medium and long term by leaving the EU.

It’s OK guys, don’t worry, we can leave without a deal - @MagicSummer prefers to holiday in Dubai and the Caribbean anyway!

The EU want it all their own way, and want us to get on our knees and beg. They are nasty little bitter losers.

We don't need them, and we don't want them. We have survived bigger than this. They can fuck off.

OP, I honestly hope brexit is some form of social Darwinism and we can all move on from it as a smarter and more effective populace who will never make as big a fuckup as this again.

Brexit has highlighted a real lack in critical thinking and reasoning skills.

The EU was supposed to be a trading bloc, not a prison. But it is now demonstrating that it will not allow any member state to leave without punitive sanctions to try and deter any others from going.
It is split internally as well. The Germans want a deal so they don’t lose their valuable UK car market. The French want a punitive deal as above.
I was pro EU when it was the EEC and purely about trade. I went off it when it became a political project for a single European superstate ruled by Germany and France, to the detriment of countries like Greece, forced into austerity after having to abandon the drachma for the Euro.
A civilised divorce should still be possible. But a majority of Brits voted to leave, and we have to honour that wish and go, even if that means walking out with no deal.
I hope the SNP are taking notes, by the way. Because Brexit is a walk in the park compared to Scottish independence. The UK represents 60% of all Scots trade, not just 40%. And I’m sure Boris will be happy to play hardball with them too!

@TrollTheRespawnJeremy, yes the government will want to keep its electorate as brilliantly intelligent as before. Remember, a smart electorate makes a smart government. Which leads to a wealth, free, sovereign nation. And fish.

Did anyone else see Michael Heseltine explaining it on Sky yesterday? I think he did a very good job.
He likened it to a person leaving an organisation or a family. When you say you want to leave, the place you are leaving say OK, bye. The person leaving can't then impose a list of requirements about the nature of them leaving.
God we are in a utter mess if I agree with Heseltine.

@MagicSummer

Why all this talk about Butlin's and eating beans? People don't have to holiday in Europe - I rarely do, preferring the USA, Dubai and the Caribbean. Seriously, which foods do you think you are going to be denied once we are out? Do you think the French won't send their cheeses or wines to us, knowing we are one of their best markets, ditto Italy and Germany.

Yes, I'm sure the cost of flights and issues with the environment which will push these costs even higher will have no impact whatsoever.

Nor the fact that it takes an 1hr to get to some European countries. I can get to my friend in the Netherlands quicker than I can get to some of my friends who live in the UK including time for passport control etc.

So yeah, I'm sure that if you can only afford a cheap budget holiday to Spain and you are now priced out of that and also face problems with entry due to your criminal record as a teen despite many long years on the straight and narrow, you are going to switch to going to the US, Dubai or the Caribbean.

If only my maths, geography and awareness of incoming issues that might affect future patterns of behaviour were as in touch with reality as yours.

This thread is brillant btw.

Its got me howling at the idea that the EU looking after its own self interest is somehow 'bullying' whereas the UK have a divine right where our self interest is more important that everyone elses and the EU should suck our desire to break 'the monolith of the EU' up because we happen to not like it very much (even though the self determination of EU states supports it). The double standards, cognitive dissonance and arrogance is a hoot.

I'm so done with the nonsense. We will either do a deal or find out the hard way why being pig headed really wasn't a smart idea. Nothing to do with bullying. Just piss poor understanding of how things work and where things are.

@Googlebrained

*You're choosing to become a country outside the block. The EU has essentially said ok, we'll treat you as a country outside the bloc. That seems very fair to me?

Don't whinge just because they don't subscribe to your notions of British exceptionalism*

You were lied to by our current Government, Farage and his ilk. They are the ones you should be raging out. The EU has every right to protect its interests and no reason to give us a better deal than everyone else now we're no longer a member.

It makes me so angry that people who just wanted to go into this shit show in order to win some non existent war, are happy for all of the rest of us to suffer, so they can get their moment of glory.

Your Government isn't my Government thankfully, I'm an EU citizens and happy to be! So I was lied to by no one, thanks. My comment is entirely in with yours.

I think in years to come, a car and lapel badge of a fish won't just be a symbol of Christianity but of freedom. and sovereignty. and fish.

@Ohthatsgreat

is purely in order to gain competitive advantage, which is why the EU is keen to discourage it where it would impact on its own markets

Genuine question, as we are small compared to the EU market why are they worried about us having competitive advantage? The view on here seems to be we will lower our standards over time so the EU won’t accept our products in their market.
Surely they will just start producing most of the stuff we export anyway? I can’t think of many things, apart from something like Scottish Whisky which I assume has a protected brand due to its origin (like champagne).
In which case they probably don’t need us at all? Does anyone know why the EU hasn’t just walked away from these negotiations?

Say a motor manufacturer wants to set up a factory. This is big business, so naturally governments want to attract it. At present there are rules that govern how much support can be given to the manufacturer, otherwise smaller countries with fewer assets would find it difficult to compete, and one of the functions of the EU is to improve economic conditions in all its member states. Once out of the EU Leavers want to be able to attract business to the UK, or develop existing business in the UK by any means possible, including by giving help that goes above and beyond the EU rules. That’s entirely reasonable. But it’s also entirely reasonable for the EU, unfairly deprived of the opportunity to benefit, to restrict the sale of such products into its own markets, for example by increasing tariffs. Even though we’re relatively small compared to the EU, a factory in Huddersfield with its associated benefits, isn’t one in, say, Romania. So Romania loses out. ukandeu.ac.uk/the-facts/what-are-level-playing-field-measures/

@LisaLee333

The EU want it all their own way, and want us to get on our knees and beg. They are nasty little bitter losers.

We don't need them, and we don't want them. We have survived bigger than this. They can fuck off.

Well reasoned.

7/10

OP you and anyone who agrees with you are fucking clowns.

[quote Zilla1]@RedToothBrush, always willing to learn though it's GATT to be fine, Boris and Gove talk highly of it.[/quote]
Yes they do.

And international trade experts have howled with laughter at how they haven't got a fucking clue what they are talking about.

WTO ones. Not EU ones btw.

@stepintotwitmas, but there's plenty of men who have flings, want to move the OW into the house, not pay for the children, keep the family business and get surprised when their ex doesn't want sex, won't do the ironing and expects child maintenance. And no Captain Criticals mentioning the PMs private life. That's PRIVATE.

"Having doomed the UK to an economic contraction even before Covid, and having caused an increase in migration from non-EU countries (if that happens, I'll believe it when I see it), I'm absolutely expecting Farage and his ilk to start hissing that it's the brown/foreign people who have caused the contraction in plucky Brits' living standards."

I don't know much about Brexit because I am not British. But I have seen a lot of Brexiteers on here say that Brexit will help people from former colonized nations enter Britain more easily, as a form of "reparation". i am from a former colonized nation, so I would love to know how that will happen.

lol Op your original post sounds like satire

[quote Zilla1]@TrollTheRespawnJeremy, yes the government will want to keep its electorate as brilliantly intelligent as before. Remember, a smart electorate makes a smart government. Which leads to a wealth, free, sovereign nation. And fish.[/quote]
Brilliantly intelligent

Have you SEEN Boris? Man isn't even clever enough to keep his dick in his pants.

The UK will only become more insular, grasping and racist as this goes on. You can have your fish. I'm voting for Scottish independence as I am embarrassed to be associated with Little England.

Heseltine did also point out that originally the UK was given a lot more fishing rights, but we SOLD them!!!

It's surprising how many people are shocked that countries that aren't the UK don't prioritise the wishes of the UK.

All countries always act in their best interests. Which ever way the Brexit vote had gone, it is likely that in December 2020 the UK would be arguing with France about something.

The relevant question in 2016 was whether the UK would have more power inside or outside the EU. That will become clearer over the next few months, but talk of 'blackmail' and being 'unfair' completely miss the point.

@Frequentflier

"Having doomed the UK to an economic contraction even before Covid, and having caused an increase in migration from non-EU countries (if that happens, I'll believe it when I see it), I'm absolutely expecting Farage and his ilk to start hissing that it's the brown/foreign people who have caused the contraction in plucky Brits' living standards."

I don't know much about Brexit because I am not British. But I have seen a lot of Brexiteers on here say that Brexit will help people from former colonized nations enter Britain more easily, as a form of "reparation". i am from a former colonized nation, so I would love to know how that will happen.

By Magic. Because we will say so. Cos we are british and the Empire is mighty.

Oh fuck yeah. Soverignty is a bitch isn't it?