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To think that things like this deserve the death penalty? ***Trigger warning- child rape***

66 replies

WoolieLiberal · 05/12/2020 09:08

I’m normally against the death penalty for murder.

Anyone can end up killing somebody depending on the circumstances, but this just seems truly evil.

I just can’t seem to bring my normal leftie brain to believe that hanging people like this would be wrong.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/firefighter-wife-raped-child-7-23100552.amp?int_source=taboola&int_medium=display&int_campaign=organic

OP posts:
Doublebubblebubble · 05/12/2020 11:28

Yanbu!

But were you really expecting anyone to think you were though??

ThePinkGuitar · 05/12/2020 11:32

That’s horrific that poor child was tortured.
I hope the sick bastards that did that die a painful slow and excruciating death and then rot in hell.

Lockheart · 05/12/2020 11:33

YABU.

They haven't been convicted of anything yet.

Condemning someone to death before an actual trial and conviction is, I would suggest, not the actions of a state I would want to live in.

Homebody12 · 05/12/2020 11:39

I don’t think ending someone’s life is equal retribution for this type of crime.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 05/12/2020 11:45

I heard about yesterday on YouTube.
I personally think the Death Penalty is too quick and too easy for them.
Let them rot inside until they take their last breath (which hopefully won’t be for a long time) while residing with the lions. We all know what happens to child rapists in prison, don’t we.

Oh and None of this protection nonsense, either!!!!

araiwa · 05/12/2020 11:47

Yabu

No. Never

No civilized country executes its own citizens

GrolliffetheDragon · 05/12/2020 11:56

It's not unreasonable to feel this way, I'm sure most people who are anti the death penalty have at some point read of a crime where they've felt the perpetrator didn't deserve to live (for me it was the death of 14 year old Kerry Muchan, after falling multiple times while drunk and becoming unconscious, her stepfather raped her rather than getting medical help), I'm still anti the death penalty though.

picklemewalnuts · 05/12/2020 12:06

So who gets the death penalty? Both of them?

It's back to the issue of evidence I think. Where it's clear cut, I think I could support the death penalty- men may take rape more seriously.

However given the appalling prosecution rate when the sanction is 'people knowing you've been accused of being a rapist', and the dire conviction rate 'she didn't make it clear she wasn't consenting, and she's had sex before so...' and the abysmally low sentences 'he's already ruined his life/been punished enough', I'm not sure it would help.

OneTC · 05/12/2020 12:10

Disgusting crime obviously but no, there should be no death penalty and no degree of crime would make me change my mind

Thurlow · 05/12/2020 12:12

No death penalty. As others say, we cannot be a civilized country that tells people not to kill others if we merrily kill people ourselves.

The death penalty is nothing more than state sanctioned murder.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 05/12/2020 12:14

I disagree with the death penalty for any crime. I don't believe that anyone should be able to legally kill someone in the name of justice.

user1274245 · 05/12/2020 12:15

You're calling for murder. You're hardly morally superior.

PoorMansPaulaRadcliffe · 05/12/2020 12:17

I don't believe in the death penalty under under circumstances, for any crime. It's barbaric and it doesn't work as a deterrent.

Smallsteps88 · 05/12/2020 12:18

The death penalty isn’t a punishment, it’s an end to their punishment.

Greysparkles · 05/12/2020 12:23

No one should have the right to decide to end someone's life.

Murder is never the answer

Eileithyiaa · 05/12/2020 12:24

If this was my daughter in question then I would prefer to kill the twisted bastards myself. And I would enjoy doing it too.

Fuck morals, wiping these off the face of the earth just makes it a safer place for children in the long run.

With the British justice system, how long are they likely to get inside? Not long enough.

They will get released and potentially reoffend.

There are some crimes that are truly incomprehensible and this, to me, is one of them.

If proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I would 100% support the death penalty for this.

PearlclutchersInc · 05/12/2020 12:25

I've not read the link but the short answer is no.

Northofsomewhere · 05/12/2020 12:30

I agree this is a horrific crime committed by 2 people who are clearly not mentally sound, they deserve to spend life in prison without parole. I don't think there should ever be state sanctioned murder though, how does that make us better than them. I would never want a government who claims to represent me to take lives, even of those who have done such horrific acts. Even in prison these people will not live a normal life, people will know what they did and they will be ostracised even in such a place, there lives will forever be at risk but I still wouldn't want the state to take their lives. I know the US has a different attitude to this and some claim to feel a benefit of the death penalty but I just don't think a government should have this power.

VinylDetective · 05/12/2020 12:32

Absolutely not. I don’t want to live in a country that condones killing people.

Moondust001 · 05/12/2020 12:35

I do not support the death penalty for anything. But apart from the moral arguments, research suggests that in countries with a death penalty, offenders are more likely to kill their victims, not less likely. No witnesses means less chance of being convicted of anything.

And more than one innocent person has been convicted "beyond a reasonable doubt". Its impossible to give someone back lost years of freedom, but they can be exonerated and compensated. You can't give a life back once it is taken. Even one mistake is one too many.

Shinyletsbebadguys · 05/12/2020 12:39

There is a difference to personal view of punishment and societal view.

Societal view , as in the use of a death penalty , is about who that society chooses to be. It's not about the perpetrators or the crime. A society that chooses to end someone's life is a dangerous place to be.

As an individual of course we want to see horror merchants die. That is an extremely different thing from deciding as a society that we ratify the concept of deciding whether people live or die.

As a parent I'd happily see them die but that's why the parents don't make the decision ,because it has wider reaching consequences.

SierraHotel · 05/12/2020 12:40

My god, I wish I hadn't read that. There are no words are there.

yelyah22 · 05/12/2020 12:42

No. I don't agree with state sanctioned murder, of any kind. That's not a country I'd want to live in.

That doesn't change that those crimes are disgusting and horrifying though.

gypsywater · 05/12/2020 12:42

Christ that Kerry Muchan story is horrific Shock

KatieGGGG · 05/12/2020 12:42

“With the British justice system, how long are they likely to get inside? Not long enough.”

Considering it happened in Florida nothing under the “British” justice system.