To think that things like this deserve the death penalty? ***Trigger warning- child rape***

[WoolieLiberal]

I’m normally against the death penalty for murder.

Anyone can end up killing somebody depending on the circumstances, but this just seems truly evil.

I just can’t seem to bring my normal leftie brain to believe that hanging people like this would be wrong.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/firefighter-wife-raped-child-7-23100552.amp?int_source=taboola&int_medium=display&int_campaign=organic

@DownToTheSeaAgain

There is a lot of truth in what you say. My F grew up in Prague during the Nazi occupation. His father was shot by the Gestapo having been in the Czech resistance. An uncle he was close to died in Maunthausen concentration camp.

His family was toxic to. He was born as a result of an affair which led his father to leave his first wife and was then brought up by his paternal grandmother, who constantly blamed his mother and thought his father had done no wrong. (That's obviously where his deeply ingrained misogyny came from.)

Later in life he suffered from Parkinson's Disease and had several stokes.

So yes, in his own way, he was a victim. But so was I. And yet when I look at my DDs, all I want to do is protect them from harm. So a toxic background can explain what he did, but it doesn't excuse the damage done to my siblings and me.

But the death penalty? That would reduce us to the level of the Gestapo officials who killed my grandfather and played a part in making my F into what he was.

I don't support the death penalty ever. There's not a crime in the world that I would sanction it for. It is the only issue I can think of where there is no black and white.

No death penalty, ever, under any circumstances.

I can’t read that. But I am against the death penalty. Lock people like that up forever, by all means.

How absolutely awful. No, I don't think they should get the death penalty. Apart from my general opposition to the death penalty, in cases like this it would be a motivation for the rapist to end by murdering the child, so that she can't testify against him, and even if caught, murder wouldn't result in a worse punishment than rape. I would agree with locking them up and throwing away the key!

I recommend this as essential reading to anyone who agrees with the death penalty

@VinylDetective

Absolutely not. I don’t want to live in a country that condones killing people.

Wish people were anti-war then, as well as anti-death penalty.

@GrolliffetheDragon

It's not unreasonable to feel this way, I'm sure most people who are anti the death penalty have at some point read of a crime where they've felt the perpetrator didn't deserve to live (for me it was the death of 14 year old Kerry Muchan, after falling multiple times while drunk and becoming unconscious, her stepfather raped her rather than getting medical help), I'm still anti the death penalty though.

According to this report, the offender will not only be out of prison, but unmonitored.

Fucking hell.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4743354.stm

Wish people were anti-war then, as well as anti-death penalty

I suspect most people are. I definitely am.

I’m anti war but if there was another Hitler do you just sit back and let him take over the world? Fuck no!

Intellectually the death penalty makes no sense if applied for non homicides. The only witness would be the victim and therefore gives the author a reason to kill them.
You can't condone violent acts then sanction violence against the perpetrator.

@ChutneyNose

Intellectually the death penalty makes no sense if applied for non homicides. The only witness would be the victim and therefore gives the author a reason to kill them. You can't condone violent acts then sanction violence against the perpetrator.

Agree, the death penalty is a blunt instrument used by populist regimes

@SwedishEdith

It’s not about punishment to me, it’s removing a piece of vermin from the planet who is a massive danger to other people

I think your views are dangerous. So, where do we go from there?

You’re saying my view on capital punishment is as dangerous as rapists, pedofiles and serial killers?

Problem is, some people don’t accept that there are other valid points of view other than their own and consider those with views that do not mirror their own as “dangerous.”

This often happens even if the view held is widespread, and “acceptable” views on certain topics seem to change every few years.

@ChutneyNose

This is the only convincing argument I’ve heard here for not giving the death penalty in these situations. You made me think. That’s what a debate should be. Thank you.

Yabu. Horrendous crime but we are not barbarians. Two wrongs don't make a right.

@ChutneyNose

Intellectually the death penalty makes no sense if applied for non homicides. The only witness would be the victim and therefore gives the author a reason to kill them. You can't condone violent acts then sanction violence against the perpetrator.

I don't quite understand this. Are you saying that making, say, child-rape a capital offence might actually serve increase the homicide rate because the penalty would be the same so the perpetrator would have no reason not to kill the victim and indeed every reason to do so? I see that, but not on the grounds that the only witness to murder is the victim? That's obviously not the case.

I absolutely agree with the absurdity of the system. I can't think of her name - it was an unusual spelling of Zoe, or something - but I recall a Florida hairdresser whose father was murdered (and I'm pretty sure she was very badly injured) in a botched robbery, and she urged the jury not to consider the death penalty because 'You can't take a life to show people that taking a life is wrong.' Very simple, but it stayed with me. Mind you, this was Florida so he probably went to Old Sparky anyway.