To think that things like this deserve the death penalty? ***Trigger warning- child rape***

[WoolieLiberal]

I’m normally against the death penalty for murder.

Anyone can end up killing somebody depending on the circumstances, but this just seems truly evil.

I just can’t seem to bring my normal leftie brain to believe that hanging people like this would be wrong.

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I agree that such crimes 'deserve' the death penalty but I still think the death penalty is wrong and I will always oppose it

I'm anti-death penalty except for anyone who harms children. Throw them in a pit and forget about them.

How many people need to be exonerated a decade or more after a crime was committed before people realise that the death penalty is a terrible idea? I don’t want to live in a country where the state sanctions the death of anyone, no matter their crime.

In many ways the death penalty condones violence, the death penalty sends a message that if you have absolute power you can take the life of another person
This is the same mindset of that of the criminal, the criminal feels they have absolute power and can do whatever they like to other people.
I don't know what the solution is, I don't know what we should do with people who behave like that, but I do think the death penalty is not the answer.

I’m with you on this one OP. If that was my child this happened to, I’d gladly pull the trigger and I’d feel no remorse at all.

@Billben

I’m with you on this one OP. If that was my child this happened to, I’d gladly pull the trigger and I’d feel no remorse at all.

Of course and if someone harmed my child I would want to tear them limb from limb with my bare hands and this is why we have a system of laws, courts etc, if we had more mob rule and vigilantism society would soon disintegrate into brutality An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth, instinctively feels right but leads to world of toothless blind people

Its impossible to give someone back lost years of freedom, but they can be exonerated and compensated.

In the UK:

• not always (you need to be innocent enough)
• after they have deducted the costs of your board and lodging while in prison.

No. Not for anything. Even if everyone would like to see the criminal dead. It only takes one wrong conviction...

I agree with the death penalty for all sorts of crimes. For people bleating about the human rights of criminals, imo you give up your human rights the second you act like an animal. Of a dog bites a child then almost everyone agrees it should be euthanised. So how can you say people who rape/torture/kill should be allowed to live? It’s not about punishment to me, it’s removing a piece of vermin from the planet who is a massive danger to other people

If they are found guilt I don’t think the deserve ever to be free again and would hope they both get very long prison sentences

But no I do not support the death penalty (though at times I agree it is probably the right thing to do or to assassinate someone as not doing so could cause many deaths of people who will fight for them (Bin Laden for example)

And of course if my own child was deliberately hurt or worse I would want that person to feel fear and pain but I don’t want our justice system based on this I don’t think it’s good for society

No, I don't want to live in a society with the death penalty.

Exactly what @Growapair said. There is no adequate punishment for these people so it’s not about that. We can throw them in prison, sure, but for how long before some clown comes along with their “human rights legislation” campaigns for their early release?
Happily, the law of the prison jungle seems to neutralise the threat still posed by many of them. Sorry, not sorry about that.

It is horrific. But like others I do not support the death penalty nor want it reinstated. Many reasons why, but main being the very real possibility of wrongful convictions and it doesn't work as a deteriant for murders or those who commit other terrible crimes in countries/places where it is law. On a personal note regards the feelings this stirs up, I wouldn't care at all if this POS died tmrw in pain and touture. However , I want no part living in a country with the death penalty, that doesn't mean I think such horrific unforgiveable crimes aren't just that. Too many people seem to think (or want ) the justice system to about or should be about instilling pure revenge , when it is is and meant to be about delivering justice. As it should be. I would also want no part of being in a society that centres it's system off revenge rather than justice. That is a very slippery and dangerous slope indeed.

On a purely practical level the death penalty does not work to deter crime ( as evidenced in the countries that have it ). Therefore the death penalty is purely about state sanctioned punishment and revenge. If you agree it is am effective punishment and satisfies any news for revenge then I suppose that is a reason to agree with the death penalty. I personally think it is an easy get out for the perpetrator so don't agree with it even in this instance . I also know that quite a few innocent people have been executed in error in many countries. Once you havve killed someone there is no way you can put right any error in the system ( and there are loads of them). So no I don't think the death penalty is justified even in this case, though reading about it makes me personally want to hurt the people who committed this crime.

I did think there are people who deserve to die for their crimes. However, no justice system is perfect and with a death penalty there will be miscarriages of justice and the right for society to kill criminals who deserve it is not worth the death of a single innocent person.

It’s not about punishment to me, it’s removing a piece of vermin from the planet who is a massive danger to other people

I think your views are dangerous. So, where do we go from there?

YANBU. I would gladly execute these monsters myself. For crimes of this nature against children I do believe in the death penalty.

I don't know why you would want any of these types to have the release of death. I'd much rather we have proper life terms in this country like they have in America. If you rape or murder a child you should spend the rest of your life in solitary confinement. The rest of your life.

As a survivor of childhood SA, I can understand the anger, especially as I also have two DDs of my own. But I can also tell you that the death penalty won’t bring any closure to the victim or her family. My F, who sexually abused my DSis and me all through our childhood, died 22 years ago and yet he’s still in my head even now, though therapy has helped with this.

Forget the death penalty. We need to focus on the detection and conviction rate of paedophiles, as the vast majority don’t even get caught. And sentences need to be much tougher as well. Too many get out of prison, fall under the radar and then reoffend.

The death penalty does not work to deter crime
This is true, countries with the death penalty do not have low crime rates, the death penalty belongs in primitive barbaric cultures

@Doublebubblebubble

Yanbu!

But were you really expecting anyone to think you were though??

Why? Do you think everyone is barbaric enough to be in favour of the death penalty?

I'm not going to read the story, but I don't believe the state should have the power to murder its citizens so there are no circumstances under which I'd agree with you.

This crime happened in Florida ,which does have the death penalty apparently ,so maybe they will be sentenced to death

I don't believe that the death penalty is ever acceptable in a truly civilised society. It immediately brings us down to the level of the murderers and is neither a deterrent nor a resolution to any problem.

People who do terrible things like this are usually mentally ill in some way or the result of an horrifically abusive early life. As a civilised society we should be working to effectively curtail their activities through identifying the mental illness, treatment and / or preventing their abuse in the first place.

I think the death penalty should be available and the victim, at an appropriate point, should have a say in it.

There are crimes which are unforgivable.