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AIBU to tell SIL to piss off over Xmas plans. Done to death I know...

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samanthajonespr · 27/11/2020 09:47

I'll keep this as short as I can. We're married with 2 very young children. We (including the children) get on far better with my parents than his, there's issues in the past on his side and they're civil but DH is always uncomfortable and goes back into his shell in their company. They've estranged one son-in-law already after they were racist about his heritage.

We're planning on having Xmas morning and lunch at home, just the 4 of us. And then meeting up with my parents and siblings later on at my parents house, it will be hilarious and amazing fun as always. Happy and tired kids at the end of it. Agreed with PIL that we'd spend some of Boxing Day with them so they can see the children.

Enter SIL, who is spending Xmas with her boyfriend and his family. Fair enough but she's feeling guilty about hers and DH's parents spending the day alone together so she's now trying to pressure us into having parents round for the day. Neither of us wants this but she's really harassing DH about it. He's been really down and anxious because of it and won't reply to her messages. There's something that triggers him when it comes to them, even though he tries to hide it.

Now that the govt's Xmas advice has been published, she's now harassing him to "talk" again about it. Texting him and not letting it drop. We would never think to pressure her to change her plans and it's not fair. DH says it's ruined the whole of Xmas for him and he doesn't want to be made to feel guilty for how we're spending it. Not really sure what to do but I want to help the situation. I think his manipulative PIL are partly at least behind the SIL's relentless campaign.

OP posts:
Sewsosew · 27/11/2020 10:37

As far as I am concerned Christmas is mostly for children.
As long as PIL are seeing people on Boxing Day I am sure they will survive. If SIL is that bothered then she needs to change her bloody plans

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 27/11/2020 10:39

PS - the message from Serin above is softer and more conciliatory than mine - I'd recommend using this one as opposed to mine!

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 27/11/2020 10:40

X-posted Serin! No problem Smile

WhereamI88 · 27/11/2020 10:42

why doesn't she change her plans if it's so important to her?

Crazycatlady83 · 27/11/2020 10:45

Do the PIL actually mind being on their own? Sorry if I missed that bit?

MN favourite but “no” is a complete sentence. I also found “bugger off” works quite well in these situations.

VettiyaIruken · 27/11/2020 10:49

Tell her if she feels that way, she should change her own plans not try to bully you into filling the gap so she can enjoy a guilt free day with her boyfriend.

Intothesheepfold · 27/11/2020 10:50

@samanthajonespr

And I forgot to mention, PIL are not elderly. They're 60's so it's not like they're frail and lonely
Do they have anything to say about the arrangements being made around them?
StrawBeretMoose · 27/11/2020 10:51

@dontdisturbmenow

Who spent it with them last year?
It doesn't matter. This is the biggest trap people fall into, getting into set patterns of how they spend Christmas and with whom. Each year we decide what we will do as a family, we are not getting into turns with anyone, far too difficult to get out of again.

There is no issue with a couple spending Christmas together, unless they hate each other in which case they've got bigger problems.

One of you needs to tell SIL and repeat as necessary. Don't even say it's stressing you out, just say your plans are your plans.

PoorMansPaulaRadcliffe · 27/11/2020 10:54

Well, you're probably right, but representing your family Christmas as 'hilarious and amazing fun as always' - how could you possibly know? - jars a bit. My ex's family were probably more fun than mine, but I didn't need to hear it all the time.

Knittedfairies · 27/11/2020 10:55

Why do your SIL's plans for Christmas supersede those of her brother? You'll see your PILs Boxing Day as planned. The end.

Brainwave89 · 27/11/2020 10:55

On the basis of your post you have already accommodated your PIL by seeing them the day after. I understand families can be triggering so I would agree with your OH that you will respond clearly that your current plans will stand and you will not be discussing further. Very clearly she could change her plans if she felt that it was so important.

frewer · 27/11/2020 10:55

I too wonder if the parents actually mind a quiet day. A nice walk, nice food and watching what they want on TV. Grandkids on boxing day, lovely.

TheStripes · 27/11/2020 10:57

Why isn’t your SIL spending the day with your in-laws if she is that invested in their Christmas?

samanthajonespr · 27/11/2020 10:58

There's no set timetable with having Christmas dinner with the PIL. We decide depending on how things have been with DH and his parents that year. I'll admit, we do spend it more with my family but only because there's no strained atmosphere and we end up getting into bed at the end of it all and discussing what an amazing day we've had because the children are happy or we are. The times we've spent it with the PIL, it'll be getting into bed with a headache and me talking DH through his post-mortem of the day.

I have been hesitant to take over because I think it'll be good for him to deal with it but I am willing to help if this carries on. She's a spoilt and selfish cow and always tries to take control of every situation. I try to see the best in everybody but she doesn't even really try with her nephews (my children). I am going to try and broach the subject again with him later on today when he's finished work and suggest the ideas kindly suggested here.

I am very grateful for all the advice, I appreciate that the time for niceness and patience may have passed, however, and it is time for him to tackle things.

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beavisandbutthead · 27/11/2020 10:58

So SIL is feeling guilty about not spending time with parents and is now harrassing your DH. Is there a reason your DH is unable to shut his sister down? Has his parents expressed upset at being on there own?

Personally if my DH was unable to deal with his sibling I would step in and tell them to bugger off.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 27/11/2020 11:02

Your poor DH.

I agree, he is enduring FOG, and his DSis is being manipulative and deploying emotional blackmail.

"SIL, Just to let you know, all our plans are made now, agreed with both families, and we won't be re-juggling or re-considering so we would appreciate it if this conversation could be laid to rest now. Looking forward to seeing PIL on Boxing Day, as arranged" and sign it from both of you. From your phone.

Bibidy · 27/11/2020 11:02

Tbh you are spending the day with your own family anyway - even if not until after lunch. What do you do with PIL's then if they come over? Just send them away?

I'm sure PIL are probably totally fine knowing they are seeing you on Boxing Day.

samanthajonespr · 27/11/2020 11:02

PIL were agreeable to the Boxing Day plan but it's starting to feel like they're behind SIL's pressuring tactics. They are feeding it all back to each other. But they've told us they're ok with it so I can't second guess everything.

@PoorMansPaulaRadcliffe I know what you're saying, it's usually DH's assessment that it's such a good time with my lot. He's fully accepted as one of my parents' own children and it's such a comfortable and warm atmosphere. I don't try and rub it in with DH though. He accepts things with his parents are just the way they are now.

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Georgina125 · 27/11/2020 11:04

Not much to add to the advice already given, other than I have often been in your position. I leave my husband to deal with it because I have been blamed for getting in the middle before but every situation is different. We don't do Christmas anymore, due to a personal tragedy but if we did, this Christmas would be very controversial. I think I would probably volunteer to work just to get out of it!

PoorMansPaulaRadcliffe · 27/11/2020 11:08

@samanthajonespr

PIL were agreeable to the Boxing Day plan but it's starting to feel like they're behind SIL's pressuring tactics. They are feeding it all back to each other. But they've told us they're ok with it so I can't second guess everything.

@PoorMansPaulaRadcliffe I know what you're saying, it's usually DH's assessment that it's such a good time with my lot. He's fully accepted as one of my parents' own children and it's such a comfortable and warm atmosphere. I don't try and rub it in with DH though. He accepts things with his parents are just the way they are now.

I sounded a bit sour, I'm sorry. But I had it rammed down my throat all the time how wonderful his parents were compared to mine. I could've pointed out that my much older, more uptight (but not unkind) parents were ten times cleverer than his, but didn't.

But I realize that's not the case here. It sounds like a lovely family Christmas at yours. Apologies.

ancientgran · 27/11/2020 11:10

Can I just say as a mother, a mother in law and a grandmother that I don't want my family seeing me as a burden they have to take turns with as a sort of martyred Christmas. I suppose as I had 4 at least they could spread it out but honestly if you don't want to be with people then don't.

I find it quite depressing to think my kids could be sending texts back and forward trying to get someone else to do it.

ClaireP20 · 27/11/2020 11:13

I feel your pain, I have the same thing every year. Because my youngest is a baby (I have 3 kids), we also decided that - just for this one year - we would spend the day just us 5, then maybe see family for tea (either ours or theirs). But quell surprise...my brother and sister in law are spending the day with her family so now I am getting the same pressure. What annoys me is, you make your plans and i'll make mine...

Anyway OP, my advice would be to lie and say you are going to see your family for lunch. And hope they never find out..xx

MaMaD1990 · 27/11/2020 11:18

Would it be bang out of line for you step in and tell SIL that your plans aren't changing and thats that (maybe in a nicer way obviously!). I only say you step in as a way to support your DH if he's struggling with the pressure and they may respect the decision more if it comes from you (a untied front if you will)? Would they back off a bit if you told them the plans aren't changing or would it cause huge issues?

EmeraldShamrock · 27/11/2020 11:19

I think SIL is expecting the same as your family this year to get out of doing it.
If you go to your family most years SI iis left entertaining them.
DH should share the load alternative years. I think SIL is the opposite of selfish she' is trying to ensure her parents aren't alone on Christmas day. It isn't fair it is left for her each year.
I do she could do her own thing and not care but she obviously does care.

ClaireP20 · 27/11/2020 11:20

@ancientgran

Can I just say as a mother, a mother in law and a grandmother that I don't want my family seeing me as a burden they have to take turns with as a sort of martyred Christmas. I suppose as I had 4 at least they could spread it out but honestly if you don't want to be with people then don't.

I find it quite depressing to think my kids could be sending texts back and forward trying to get someone else to do it.

It is depressing I know, and I'm sure your children love having you.....but one thing I have found with my older parents is that they never make any decisions themselves. They wait to be told where they'll be going almost, and they don't drive, so one of us has to leave the kids and drive an hour to pick them up, pay £50 for a cab afterwards... x
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