Figures Don’t Lie, But Liars Do Figure (Trump thread #114)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Enough already! Delusional, depraved, but DEFEATED. We may have to wait until Jan 20th but 45 will be GONE. McConnell is next...

Previous thread:
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@user1471565182

Yes, there is a bit of a 'history' of pardons for heinous acts. High-ranking Confederates were pardoned by both Lincoln and Johnson after the Civil War, Nixon by Ford after Watergate, ostensibly to 'restore' the nation. But I would be extremely surprised if Biden were to pardon Scrotus.

But I think there was a lot more 'politically at stake' in the Confederate and Nixon cases than is at stake now. Lincoln and Johnson wanted to literally restore all former Confederates to the Union and the pardons for their 'heroes' were a step in that direction. As for Ford's pardon of Nixon, I think that pardon was a part of the resignation deal, and it included a 'slink off quietly to San Clemente and stay out of the limelight' clause. Plus, Nixon had virtually no 'supporters' by the time he resigned, even his own party had turned against him.

Scrotus, on the other hand, is just an asshole. No pardon is going to 'restore' his cult members in and of itself and I can't imagine for one second he'd abide by any 'shut up and slink away' clause. In fact, he'd continue to rile them up and be a royal pain in the arse no matter what he agreed to. I think Biden and his team know this, too.

I think the most 'likely' (but extremely improbable) scenarios would be that Scrotus pardons himself OR invokes a bogus 25th Amendment on himself (sudden heart attack, return of Covid), Pence takes over and pardons him, then Scrotus has a 'miraculous' recovery and takes back the reins. Again, this is EXTREMELY improbable plus I think Pence knows it would kill any serious political future for him. But again, any pardon is only for federal crimes, not state/local indictments.

I have to admit that this meeting at Gettysburg of all places really got my goat. That is hallowed ground for ALL Americans regardless of which side one's ancestors fought on. It should never be used politically.

Probably actually cancelled Gettysburg because somebody told them which side won it.

But any pardon would only work for previously committed federal crimes - and as of now that's not where any threats are (who knows what will be discovered in future).

Nixon was lucky by the skin of his teeth that he escaped a charge of treason (which may yet be levelled at Trump). Which does raise questions about what is the point of having evidence if you can't use it. I wonder how many other US politicians have done a Nixon and couldn't be charged ?

@AcrossthePond55

I have to admit that this meeting at Gettysburg of all places really got my goat. That is hallowed ground for ALL Americans regardless of which side one's ancestors fought on. It should never be used politically.

I think the world at large has already cottoned onto Trumps hypocrisy and attempts to co-opt all and anything sacred into his employ. It's only the knuckle draggers that seem to want to look the other way. And they're beyond redemption.

I was incorrect. Trump going to Gettysburg was cancelled but Rudi is there having his own potential superspreader event. Not as sweaty as last week so maybe this venue has better air conditioning

Breaking
www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2020/11/25/pennsylvania-vote-election-certification-sean-parnell-mike-kelly-commonwealth-court-appeal/stories/202011250159
pa judge puts certification on hold...

The hearing is on Friday, so let's hope it's as great a success as the others so far have been.

@BruceAndNosh I believe that's down-ballot certification, the presidental vote has certified.

It's being brought by a Republican Rep who essentially decertifies himself in doing so ;-)

At core it's aimed as claiming mail in ballots shouldn't be allowed because of the potential for fraud. The republican legislature has already appealed.

Oh dear oh dear...

twitter.com/atrupar/status/1331685657702526977

Jenna whatshername and Rudi Deludi holding up a mobile phone to a mic with Trump saying 'this is an election we won easily, we won it by a lot' '
'Dead people requested ballots'
'Why don't they overturn the election?'
'It was a fraudulent election'
'The Democrats cheated'
'The election was rigged'
We won all these States by a lot'

He is deranged

I believe Rudy has also claimed Virginia retrospectively

Nicked from that twiter thread

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

'It is my Great Honor to announce that General Michael T. Flynn has been granted a Full Pardon. Congratulations to
@GenFlynn and his wonderful family, I know you will now have a truly fantastic Thanksgiving!'

Trump pardoned Michael Flynn

twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331706255212228608?s=19

Snap lionheart

Just getting the Pardon Wagon nicely warmed up.
Just in case it's needed for a quick getaway

Well, I think this is good news but I'm now so programmed to be suspicious of everything 'Trump' that I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Trump administration rejects permit for major mining project in Alaska.
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers denied a permit for the controversial Pebble Mine in the Bristol Bay area.
thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/environment/527639-trump-administration-rejects-permit-for-major

From Kayliar McNinny.

That pardon justification is batshit crazy.

WTF is that pardon? That's going to piss a lot of people off and not just because a guilty man has basically got off scot-free but to claim he was only incarcerated due to politics is such utter, utter shite!

I have never really thought about the transition period before but surely this needs to be looked at... how does he still have almost two months of 'power' left?

There's also a lot of bullshit in that press release which is nothing to do with Flynn's pardon. It's just a big whinge.

What did people expect? For him to leave gracefully and quietly?

Mother FUCK!!!

My DS1 and DiL won't be able to come tomorrow for dinner. Why? Because her mother just tested positive for Covid. I guess they had been partying with some friends a few days/a week ago and one of the friends notified them that they were positive. It didn't occur to her to tell my DiL that she'd been in contact with someone who later tested positive let alone that she, herself, wasn't feeling well.

So now DS1 and DiL in quarantine (again!) for 2 weeks. And they just got out of another quarantine when my son was potentially exposed 3 weeks ago.

But that's ok. According to her mother Covid is "really a Dem hoax that it's a serious illness. After all, Trump had it and he's fine and said it's no big deal".

We're taking DS1 & DiL a 'care package' this weekend.

Flynn's is going to be the first in a long line of pardons. We'll see pardons for Manafort and Gates, possibly Bannon and Papadopoulos. But not Michael Cohen. I fully expect 'presumptive pardons' forJavanka, the Trump boys, and Rudy.

I predict no pardon for Nader. Even Scrotus wouldn't go that far.