Aibu to think that Johnson and co will somehow fuck up delivery of the covid vaccine?

[KenDodd]

That their incompetence will result in delays and even more unavoidable deaths. This opinion is based on their performance so far.

Yabu - They will handly it smoothly and competently.
Yanbu - They will fuck it up.

Jesus, do people just like to see the worst in everything? It’s almost like people are gleefully waiting for things to go wrong.

The truth is that even a vaccination programme is never going to go off entirely smoothly because we’re talking vaccination which has previously been unused for a condition which has previously never been seen.

As for the EU, well actually this is one time when Brexit is probably a good thing because we have ordered separately otherwise we would essentially have to fight other EU countries to get it. There’s already a lot of discontent in the EU over COVID ATM and I voted remain, but now I’m not sure that we didn’t do the right thing by leaving now.

I'm more concerned by reports of lack of data on effectiveness and accuracy of the vaccine, if we are talking about the 15 minute one. I'd like to see the data from the pilots.

Looks like I'm not alone in lack of confidence in Johnson. Not that'd he'll give a shit how much he's fucked up on covid or what the public think anyway.

Note that when asked twice at the tv briefing, the minister did NOT reassure that Brexit wouldn't interfere with the supply of vaccines.

As sure as eggs is eggs, they will fuck it up, and more deaths will come about as a consequence. These criminals should be jailed.

It'll go smoothly because they've already got the military on to it

Not cronies

Brexit irrelevant, as there is existing experience of flying whilst keeping cold chain intact, so no need to go into queues or use civvie ports/airports

Blessingly naive to think 'the military'/ British army is fuck-up free.

And we are left wondering why exactly the business minister avoided the question about Brexit and vaccine supply. It's a tad more complex than just keeping a fridge really cold.

@missyB1

Well there’s a little issue called Brexit for a start... I believe the vaccine they are buying is manufactured in Europe? Correct me if I’m wrong. And it needs to be stored at -80 degrees. Could be tricky if there is chaos at our ports and borders.

I came on here to say this. Not to mention that a plummeting GBP post 1 Jan will make it more expensive to buy.

*I’m pretty sure the vaccine won’t be left in a queue of delays.

On the flip side we’d be part of EU procurement and not sure when and how much we would get. (Voted remain but glad we have ordered separately)*

What is it you think they will do to avoid this? Teleport the lorries carrying the vaccine over the queues?

The EU has ordered 300 million doses of the vaccine already. That is sufficient to vaccinated over 50% of their population post-Brexit (2 doses per person).

The UK has ordered 30 million doses. Enough to vaccinate not even 25% of our population. And we have one of the most elderly populations and a higher percentage of clinically vulnerable than the EU average.

@PolkadotGiraffe

*I’m pretty sure the vaccine won’t be left in a queue of delays.

On the flip side we’d be part of EU procurement and not sure when and how much we would get. (Voted remain but glad we have ordered separately)*

What is it you think they will do to avoid this? Teleport the lorries carrying the vaccine over the queues?

The EU has ordered 300 million doses of the vaccine already. That is sufficient to vaccinated over 50% of their population post-Brexit (2 doses per person).

The UK has ordered 30 million doses. Enough to vaccinate not even 25% of our population. And we have one of the most elderly populations and a higher percentage of clinically vulnerable than the EU average.

We’ll see. You do sound miserable though that’s for sure.

When are the EU countries starting their programmes and how much each have they secured?

Honestly it’s misery city even when there is positive news. Doom doom and more gloom.

If they could tax that we might be quids in.

Fingers crossed Oxford vaccine goes ahead. People like pp will still find something to moan about though I’m sure.

They have secured 300 million doses as I said.

I'm not remotely miserable I just wish people wouldn't spout badly researched nonsense on public forums.

And I linked FT article below which said

‘Governments have been scrambling to secure the approximately 180m remaining doses from the initial production run, after data showed Pfizer and BioNTech’s vaccine was more than 90 per cent effective, with countries that have not signed deals worried that they will be left out.‘

So it’s not signed and sealed for all EU countries

So not badly researched unless you have insight to how the procurement process is going for each one.

My GP did an excellent social media post about this vaccine and the logistics of administering it.

While it was an overall positive post, they have said that even if everything runs smoothly, there's no way that "community-based vaccinating sites, run by GPs... will administer 200-500 jabs a day," - that is just pie in the sky.

My 85 year old father is in hospital with Covid, he hasn't seen my mother other than through a window since the beginning of March, other than for five minutes in PPE at the hospital. The thought that this government can roll out a vaccination programme quickly and efficiently feels like a pipe dream. It will no doubt not be in time for so many when it could so easily be with the right people in charge.

@MarshaBradyo

And I linked FT article below which said

‘Governments have been scrambling to secure the approximately 180m remaining doses from the initial production run, after data showed Pfizer and BioNTech’s vaccine was more than 90 per cent effective, with countries that have not signed deals worried that they will be left out.‘

So it’s not signed and sealed for all EU countries

The EU signed a deal as a whole, so it is secured.

One example of why all other developed countries are joining geographical trading blocks, not leaving them: it provides great negotiating power on practical, economic and trade matters. More security, reduces risk and reduces cost, not to mention massively benefitting citizens in terms of wealth and opportunity.

Anyway, no point hashing over things that were proved many years ago by almost every research study on the topic. If people still do not understand it or wish to, they will not until the bitter experienceof the sharp end of it impacts their children and grandchildren, who will be absolutely furious with them.

Polka

So when are Spain, France and Italy starting vaccination programme and with how many for each?

And why does FT talk about everyone bar Belgium and Germany having to negotiate own amount? And countries concerned they will miss out. They still have to divide 180m between the rest of EU.

Unless you can answer these then you are just going by wrote and not looking at this specific issue.

In general I voted remain but for vaccination unless you have facts on start dates and specific amounts then you are just talking generally.

Good shout on predicting this OP! He’ll totally fuck it up.

Spain hopes to have 20 million doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine

According to the health minister, several contracts are going to be signed this week and the next, including with Pfizer, to ensure a supply of vaccines.

Can’t find France

Italy same as us

Good shout on predicting this OP! He’ll totally fuck it up

Is this sarcasm? Or are you literally rubbing your thighs with glee at the prospect of the government potentially mucking up the future of the country?
That is just totally bizarre.

@MarshaBradyo

Polka

So when are Spain, France and Italy starting vaccination programme and with how many for each?

And why does FT talk about everyone bar Belgium and Germany having to negotiate own amount? And countries concerned they will miss out. They still have to divide 180m between the rest of EU.

Unless you can answer these then you are just going by wrote and not looking at this specific issue.

In general I voted remain but for vaccination unless you have facts on start dates and specific amounts then you are just talking generally.

See above for posters giving details with some numbers. Also available via goolgle: other countries have new organisations too, and the EU has a website.

They are allocating it based on need and population (rationally). If the UK had been a member still, given our shambolic management of the pandemic and corresponding high case load, relatively large population and higher percentage or elderly and clinically vulnerable population, our share would have been very high.

polka I googled and posted numbers as was interested.

Who knows. We have 40m. We may have got same as Italy and 40m or closer to Spain and lower. Still would have to negotiate and I’ll take have rather than hope to as Spain are reporting.

We can’t turn back time and redo Brexit vote which was voted for (I didn’t). Still don’t see the point in looking for the negative in everything. But some will.

@MarshaBradyo

polka I googled and posted numbers as was interested.

Who knows. We have 40m. We may have got same as Italy and 40m or closer to Spain and lower. Still would have to negotiate and I’ll take have rather than hope to as Spain are reporting.

We can’t turn back time and redo Brexit vote which was voted for (I didn’t). Still don’t see the point in looking for the negative in everything. But some will.

Do you have no idea about the relative populations of different countries?

It is not looking at "the negative in everything". It is about having a basic grasp of how the EU functions, internationa land EU law, how population sizes vary and a basic grasp of percentages, etc...

Haha, course they’ll fuck it up. They’ll give the contract to one of their mates who used to own a cake shop but fucked that up. The level of bare faced corruption in this government is breathtaking.