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To sign up at the surgery as ‘Dr’

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Chocolatebutton43 · 11/11/2020 20:11

I got my PhD two months ago, moved to a new place and signed up to a new doctor’s surgery and dental practice.

Filling in the forms, I got a bit carried away with my new title and ticked the ‘dr’ box! I’ve been doing it a lot lately for silly little things partly ‘cause I’m just happy to have finished and passed my degree and also because I relish that I am no longer defined by my marital status.

But, I now need to visit the surgery and I feel like an idiot. The form also had occupation so the doctor will know I’m not a medical doctor. Is he/she going to think I am a total prat for using Dr outside my work and at the doctor’s surgery of all places? Cringe Blush

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Susan1961 · 13/11/2020 14:25

Dr Who?

Janegrey333 · 13/11/2020 14:32

[quote CheetasOnFajitas]@Janegrey333 I am not surprised at you cosying up to the poster who not only endorsed your view that only medical doctors should use the title but took it to a new level by declaring use of one’s PhD title to be a “dick move” (including in a scenario that OP had not even proposed to use it). Whilst throwing in disparaging comments about nurses for good measure. The aggression you complain of started right there with “dick move”.[/quote]
You’ll need to translate that for me. It’s a bit garbled and also you use vulgar language to which I object.

CheetasOnFajitas · 13/11/2020 14:39

“dick move” is a direct quote from your chum @HoppingPavlova. And the fact that it was vulgar and uncalled for is literally my whole point!

Tenyearsgone · 13/11/2020 14:43

It's a bit cringey.

bluebluezoo · 13/11/2020 14:46

*Has anyone ever thought about saying they are a doctor when they go to hospital and get asked what they do? So that they get treat with more respect? I think it does affect treatment

How would they know you're not a doctor for example*

What do you mean how would they know you’re not a dr?

Usually I am asked what field I am in, or what I’m a dr of. It usually opens up a conversation and gives us something to chat about.

My PhD is medical research though. It does make a difference as medics change their language as I understand blood biochemistry etc. My mum had a brain tumour and asked me to go with her to her scan reviews, as she didn’t like the dr and felt he wasn’t bothered and didn’t want to treat her because she was old. When he figured out I understood why they weren’t going to treat the relief on his face was evident, and he turned out to be lovely, very animated and enthusiastic. Apparently with non treatable tumours usually most patients and family go straight into “battle” mode, want surgery, chemo, radio, treatment in the states etc, and he gets a really hard time even when treatment is not in the best interest of the patient. Poor chap was just worried!

Janegrey333 · 13/11/2020 14:52

@CheetasOnFajitas

“dick move” is a direct quote from your chum *@HoppingPavlova*. And the fact that it was vulgar and uncalled for is literally my whole point!
It’s hard to fathom your “points”. You appear to be screeching.
Janegrey333 · 13/11/2020 14:55

@Tenyearsgone

It's a bit cringey.
You mean using the Dr title unless you are a doctor doctor? Completely agree. However the discussion, such as it is, is going around in square circles.
CheetasOnFajitas · 13/11/2020 14:56

If you are hearing “screeching” it is only in your head. I’m sorry this thread has exhausted your capacity for reading comprehension.

Janegrey333 · 13/11/2020 14:58

Mumsnet Bingo time!

Alonelonelyloner · 13/11/2020 15:00

I remember when my dd was at nursery about 90% of the parents there had doctorates and when everyone had to add their name to an email list, one of them had written (Dr) next to her email address. Everyone was rolling their eyes as they all had doctorates.

I think you earned it! Use it!

Also where do people live these days that they get asked, 'Miss or Mrs?' ? How very odd. It's normal surely in 2020 to presume Ms unless someone tells you otherwise.

Alonelonelyloner · 13/11/2020 15:02

One of the best ways to get preferential treatment in a hospital is to tell them you're a lawyer, with a sinister smile on your face.

Every. Time.

Janegrey333 · 13/11/2020 15:10

@Alonelonelyloner

One of the best ways to get preferential treatment in a hospital is to tell them you're a lawyer, with a sinister smile on your face.

Every. Time.

Excellent!
RattleOfBars · 13/11/2020 15:14

I am a real doctor. I'm just not a medical doctor. And you're right a medical degree is not equivalent to a PhD..... it's a lower qualification. Those with PhDs are the 'real' doctors.

Most of the population would disagree, as to them the ‘real’ doctors are medical doctors not those who have a PhD in something non medical.

I don’t think the average person is too bothered which qualification is higher up the academic scale, they just think of doctors as people who diagnose and treat them when they’re ill. My friends with PhDs don’t call themselves ‘doctors’ or use the title outside of work.

And medical doctors don’t stop training when they qualify as doctors, they sit exam after exam and study for years to go from an F1 to a Consultant. And pay a fortune just to take each exam, even the junior ones on low salaries.

I think it’s fine to use your Dr title if that’s what you prefer. Just unrealistic to expect someone who hasn’t been through the upper ranks of academia to think of you as a ‘real doctor’ or better qualified than a medical doctor.

You can get a PhD in almost anything now, from Performing Arts to Creative Writing, if you pay the fees and study for long enough. There’s a lot of corruption and loopholes in academia as well, as oppose to medical school which is very regimented and hard to pass.

Unless your PhD is from a top university and in a scientific field, other academics may not see it as having much weight academically.

I agree it’s unfair, we work hard for PhDs, but the title of Dr is optional outside work.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/11/2020 15:27

^ I am a real doctor. I'm just not a medical doctor. And you're right a medical degree is not equivalent to a PhD..... it's a lower qualification. Those with PhDs are the 'real' doctors.^^

Most of the population would disagree, as to them the ‘real’ doctors are medical doctors not those who have a PhD in something non medical.

^

I've never come across anyone who isn't a medical doctor call themselves 'a doctor' rather than 'a PhD' or say they have 'a doctorate' ... unless they aren't really being straight, and are trying to imply they have authority in medical matters when they don't. 'Dr Gillian McKeith' type of thing. That really would deserve a Hmm if you did it IRL.

I've certainly no wish to be described as "a doctor" - "a scientist", or some more detailed description of my field is fine.

CheetasOnFajitas · 13/11/2020 15:31

I think that there is a distinction, though , @ErrolTheDragon between using the title “Dr” on, say, an application form and saying to someone “I’m a doctor”. I agree my friends with PhDs would say if asked “I have a doctorate in chemistry” or “I did a PhD in history.” Not “I’m a doctor of chemistry”.

Do you use the Dr title at all?

CheetasOnFajitas · 13/11/2020 15:33

Actually @ErrolTheDragonI just re-read and noticed you said you would not use “I have a doctorate” either. But you would say if asked that you had a PhD, presumably?

SueEllenMishke · 13/11/2020 15:35

Most of the population would disagree, as to them the ‘real’ doctors are medical doctors not those who have a PhD in something non medical

That doesn't make them correct.

I don’t think the average person is too bothered which qualification is higher up the academic scale, they just think of doctors as people who diagnose and treat them when they’re ill. My friends with PhDs don’t call themselves ‘doctors’ or use the title outside of work.

That's fine and their choice.

And medical doctors don’t stop training when they qualify as doctors, they sit exam after exam and study for years to go from an F1 to a Consultant. And pay a fortune just to take each exam, even the junior ones on low salaries.

Many academics continue to research, write and study. Continuous professional development isn't exclusive to the medical profession.

I think it’s fine to use your Dr title if that’s what you prefer. Just unrealistic to expect someone who hasn’t been through the upper ranks of academia to think of you as a ‘real doctor’ or better qualified than a medical doctor.

Most people are capable of understanding that having a PhD is different than being a medical doctor. It's not a difficult concept to get your head around.

You can get a PhD in almost anything now, from Performing Arts to Creative Writing, if you pay the fees and study for long enough. There’s a lot of corruption and loopholes in academia as well, as oppose to medical school which is very regimented and hard to pass.

PhD's have always covered a range of subjects. That's nothing new and doesn't make them any easier to get. Paying fees doesn't guarantee you a qualification. It's not a product you buy - you still have to complete the work and to a specific standard.
All of higher education is subject to strict policies and procedures. This isn't unique to medical degrees. Medical schools sit within universities and are subject to the same checks and balances as all other courses. They aren't the only courses that have elements of professional practice either.

Do you have an example of these loopholes you describe? I'm sure the students I have failed in the past would have loved to have known what they were!!

Unless your PhD is from a top university and in a scientific field, other academics may not see it as having much weight academically.

Absolute rubbish.

Why science?? Is that the only valuable subject?

I agree it’s unfair, we work hard for PhDs, but the title of Dr is optional outside work.

It's optional for medical doctors outside of work too 🤷🏼‍♀️

CheetasOnFajitas · 13/11/2020 15:37

@SueEllenMishke it’s like banging your head against a brick wall isn’t it?

ErrolTheDragon · 13/11/2020 15:40

@CheetasOnFajitas

Actually *@ErrolTheDragonI* just re-read and noticed you said you would not use “I have a doctorate” either. But you would say if asked that you had a PhD, presumably?
No I didn't ... maybe I didn't write clearly, either 'a PhD' or 'a doctorate' is fine; calling yourself 'a doctor' generally isn't. Though actually, fully stated to make the field clear, eg "a doctor of divinity" is formally correct and not misleading.
GrandUnion · 13/11/2020 15:41

@SueEllenMishke, I hereby award you a Doctorate in Patience. Grin

londongirl12 · 13/11/2020 15:42

You could be like Dr Ross Geller. Doesn't mean you're a doctor of medicine. I wouldn't worry. But congratulations!

grey12 · 13/11/2020 15:44

Someone in my research lab said he never used the Dr label in case he were to be called for a medical emergency in a plane or something Grin I don't think being really good at computer programming would help

ErrolTheDragon · 13/11/2020 15:44

@CheetasOnFajitas

I think that there is a distinction, though , *@ErrolTheDragon* between using the title “Dr” on, say, an application form and saying to someone “I’m a doctor”. I agree my friends with PhDs would say if asked “I have a doctorate in chemistry” or “I did a PhD in history.” Not “I’m a doctor of chemistry”.

Do you use the Dr title at all?

Yes, nothing wrong with using Dr as a title. I generally only use it if someone's liable to be a patronising git Grin, or rarely in professional correspondence - 'rarely' because it's pretty much a given, entry level qualification for what I do.
SueEllenMishke · 13/11/2020 15:46

[quote CheetasOnFajitas]@SueEllenMishke it’s like banging your head against a brick wall isn’t it?[/quote]
Haha absolutely! I need to step away from the internet 😂

SueEllenMishke · 13/11/2020 15:47

[quote GrandUnion]@SueEllenMishke, I hereby award you a Doctorate in Patience. Grin[/quote]
Haha why thank you ( takes a bow )

Do I get new robes and a hat??