To think the vaccine shouldn't be given out by age criteria?

[studychick81]

I know the data says that the majority of people who get the virus and are most seriously ill or die are the elderly, over 82. But I was quite surprised by the potential order of giving out the vaccine.

1. people in care homes and care home workers- fair enough.

2. over 80s and health care workers.

3. age order oldest- youngest.

4. I don't agree with this. Surely all health care workers should get it before all people over 80? Shouldn't those 50 plus who have underlining issues which means catching it could be deadly get it over a normally healthy over 80 year old?

5. should kids who live with vulnerable adults/grand parents get it before a fit and healthy 40 year old?

6. should teachers, education workers get it before a fit 40 year old?

I'd like to see secondary school children fairly high up the list, as many aren't great at social distancing and are probably an important vector in it spreading. But, after NHS staff, the very elderly and their carers has surely to be very high priority.

Wow! Who knew that mumsnet had do many qualified virologists! Perhaps we should leave it to the qualified experts to decide this one.

I don't give a fig as long as enough of them are vaccinated to let me and my family live our lives again.

the whole idea initially is to vaccinate those most likely to become hospitalised (& die) or those who treat them
That is the blunt truth
But what was said was they had yet to make a decision -
so although they have a rough idea no firm decisions have been made
they have formulae to work this out its about risk & the biggest risk is the NHS being overwhelmed the staff being put at risk (& yes that will include staff at nursing homes to) because so many fragile people landing up in hospital at the same time. If elderly people in care homes are vaccinated the care staff are less likely to contract it from them.
But this is still hypothetical & is unlikely to be as soon as people might hope -the Americans & Germans (origins of companies) will get first & they will have to produce & check safety & efficiency & effectiveness first

pyongyang I haven't seen many teachers on this thread claiming they want to jump the queue.

I'll let my mom know you don't think she counts because she's over 80!!!. Twunt.

@converseandjeans

pyongyang I haven't seen many teachers on this thread claiming they want to jump the queue.

And yet, 3 or 4 posts in

TBH as a care home worker I would want to wait😳

I could be wrong but I think there are no plans to vaccinate children as no children have been included in any of the trials so it couldn't ethically be done.

This is what leading US vaccine researchers said, whether it is any different with regard to the Pfizer vaccine I don't know.

I don't know why they have chosen the order they have, but hopefully it won't be long before other groups will be vaccinated too. I wonder if part of it is that there could be valid debate about the extent of someone's vulnerability due to underlying conditions, and so arguments about who should be included, whereas age is fairly indisputable.

Surely anyone who can't work from home should get the vaccine, not just teachers? Are teachers more important than emergency workers, delivery drivers, shop staff?
I don't really see anything wrong with the list. Older people are more likely to die if they catch the virus so why shouldn't they get the vaccine?
I suppose old people just aren't important 🙄

The clinically vulnerable and frontline NHS workers should get it first, simple. Then by age. Similar to flu vaccine.

Protect those most at risk of serious side effects first.

Oh Mumsnet, you are batshit. Never change.

Surely it should be:

1. Teachers
2. Teachers
3. Teachers
4. Teachers’ families and friends
5. School children (to protect teachers)

And if there is any left over, vaccine the teachers again just to be sure. CEV can have what’s left.

Why should teachers get it before all the other key workers, especially those that worked full time over every single lock down.

I have worked in flat out since March, helping some really vulnerable people, but I don't work in health care. Should a teacher get a vaccine before me?
What about people who work in supermarkets, delivery drivers, refuse collectors. Why are teachers more worthy than them? I reckon supermarket staff have been forced in to contact with far more people than a teacher does. Yeah they have the plastic screens around tills, but they have almost no protection while stocking shelves etc from absolute idiots who get in their personal space.

I think it should be front line health care workers (NHS and care home staff), then the clinically vulnerable (as in those that were actually sent letters to shield), then the rest of the key workers, then the rest of the people you'd count as being a vulnerable, e.g. those with mild asthma, obese, elderly, then I'd roll it out to everyone else.

retiremental so one person out of over 100 comments?

I agree with the OP.

I also agree with other key workers having a priority over someone wfh.

I can see the vaccine becoming the new loo roll & pasta. People claiming they need to have priority

I don't feel I need priority as a middle aged, female teacher. Happy to wait my turn.

Obviously I’m putting age as the highest risk factor here.

fatmermaid

Why should teachers get it before all the other key workers, especially those that worked full time over every single lock down.

I have worked in flat out since March, helping some really vulnerable people, but I don't work in health care. Should a teacher get a vaccine before me?

They shouldn't - I agree. Where do you all get the idea teachers want first dibs?

Yes my once a week visit to the shop is definitely where I'll be catching covid. Not in any of the small rooms with 32 young adults where I spend 5 hours a day, oh no hmmhmm

The two people I know directly who got it got it from their once a week visit to the shop. Shops where, incidentally, hundreds of people, if not thousands, visited every day. Perhaps shop workers should be up there above teachers as they spend eight or more hours a day in spaces with so many more people?

The interim order listed looks fine. The shielded (high risk) will be vaccinated fifth followed by the vulnerable (moderate risk) sixth.

I am in the vulnerable group and am happy to be sixth after the older age groups and shielded. It seems sensible.

@Changechangychange

Oh Mumsnet, you are batshit. Never change.

Surely it should be:

1. Teachers
2. Teachers
3. Teachers
4. Teachers’ families and friends
5. School children (to protect teachers)

And if there is any left over, vaccine the teachers again just to be sure. CEV can have what’s left.

😂😂😂 But what about teachers? 😎

@loutypips

I would've thought that they would give it to the same people that are eligible for the flu jab firstly.

Indeed, that makes sense

@KarlKennedysDurianFruit

I think the list is about right, people saying teachers should get priority, what about police, prison officers, social workers, fire brigade? All in contact with a wider range of people than teachers, all essential services we'd be screwed without, all working without PPE in most settings. It gets too messy and complicated. Healthcare and CEV first then oldest to youngest is the most logical as a cross section of keyworker professionals will be vaccinated and they go through the age brackets

Agree that emergency service workers need to be more of a priority. Our local prison has a third of its staff solating but are usually completely forgotten about.

@Changechangychange

Oh Mumsnet, you are batshit. Never change.

Surely it should be:

1. Teachers
2. Teachers
3. Teachers
4. Teachers’ families and friends
5. School children (to protect teachers)

And if there is any left over, vaccine the teachers again just to be sure. CEV can have what’s left.

You forgot teachers dogs and cats....surely they need protection too

They pretty much are giving to the flu jab people first. The elderly, the shielded and the vulnerable are all the people eligible for the flu jab. They are groups 1-6 on the list, plus care and NHS workers, who also get the jab.

Care homes first if the individuals are in agreement. Then maybe they can have visitors again and get to see their families again. It's important right, to be able to hug your children again, particularly when you're vulnerable and getting towards the end of life.

@GlowingOrb

There are people who have spent their entire lives studying disease transmission. I want those experts to decide how to distribute the vaccine. We as the general public should shut up and listen to people who know what they are talking about.

This! ^^

Also:

1. Posters disagree with public health experts and epidemiologists, suggest teachers should be higher up the list.
2. Other posters quite sensibly disagree with this.
3. Poster complains it's 'another teacher-bashing thread'. LOL! Not only are teachers perfect and must never be criticised, they must also get life saving treatments ahead of more vulnerable people, because, teachers! Classic MN!