To think the vaccine shouldn't be given out by age criteria?

[studychick81]

I know the data says that the majority of people who get the virus and are most seriously ill or die are the elderly, over 82. But I was quite surprised by the potential order of giving out the vaccine.

1. people in care homes and care home workers- fair enough.

2. over 80s and health care workers.

3. age order oldest- youngest.

4. I don't agree with this. Surely all health care workers should get it before all people over 80? Shouldn't those 50 plus who have underlining issues which means catching it could be deadly get it over a normally healthy over 80 year old?

5. should kids who live with vulnerable adults/grand parents get it before a fit and healthy 40 year old?

6. should teachers, education workers get it before a fit 40 year old?

@Mintychoc1

The main question shouldn’t be who’s going to get the jab, it should be who’s going to give it. Any suggestions? Are there any health care staff with nothing else to do? I think maybe not. That’s the biggest challenge.

They are currently given half the population flu jabs. But they will be finishing that by the time the Covid vaccine is out.

I can’t believe the clinically extremely vulnerable are only sixth in priority!!

Another teacher bashing thread 😫

I don't know of any teachers in real life who would take a vaccine before a vulnerable person had had the chance?!

I think teachers also acknowledge that there are other professions in the front line - care home workers, cares for disabled, prison staff, front line police.

I don't know if I want a vaccine that is unknown anyway.

I don't know any figures but you'll all start moaning if schools have to close due to not enough staff.

I find the continual teacher bashing quite upsetting. Most of us work hard & don't moan!?

Regardless of who’s where on the list I’m more worried about where the magic staff are coming from to do these mass immunisation clinics I’ve just done a round of staff flu immunisation clinics and that had a huge impact on my day to do work.
Anyone for overtime

JJ I am low on the list too age 40. Which is fine by me. I am happy for education staff to get it before me and children who are carers or live with vulnerable adults. But according to age order I would get it first. I also don't agree with that. Age order isn't the right approach. This is a provisional list but I hope they change it. Trouble is the order the government decides will never please everyone

Age is by far the biggest risk factor. The data proves this. Occupation, and, or social class, modifies this somewhat, but not crucially.

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

I'm not sure why teachers aren't on the list?

1. Care Home Staff and Residents
2. ALL medical patient facing staff across all sectors
3. Teachers (Secondary, then Primary, then HE)
4. The clinically vulnerable due to illness

For those claiming that no one has said teachers should be prioritised over CEV

@Hercwasonaroll

There's no evidence because the government isn't collecting it.

Teachers have died from covid. The prevalence of the virus is higher in teachers than the rest of the population.

According to the ONS teaching is not a high-risk profession and schools are not high-risk workplaces.

A Public Health England study concluded that teachers were more likely to catch the virus from each other, or from elsewhere, than from pupils.
It said staff should be vigilant about coronavirus outside school and that care should be taken in shared areas like staff rooms.

And I really can’t stand the “oh here’s another teacher bashing thread” ignore it and move on.

@Mintychoc1in my health board "peer vaccinators" are trained to give the flu jab to staff. This year staff groups other than nurses and doctors are allowed undertake this training so there are more people than normal able to give the injections. No info yet on this vaccine but there might be more people available than you think.

The list makes perfect sense

people most likely to die & those most likely to infect those most likely to die

Next most likely to die & next most likely to infect those

So on and so forth.

There's always going to be examples of why one particular 75-year-old should get it before one particular 80-year-old, but mass vaccination programmes can't be tailored to individual level. They've got to work on bands of vulnerability.

@giggly

Regardless of who’s where on the list I’m more worried about where the magic staff are coming from to do these mass immunisation clinics I’ve just done a round of staff flu immunisation clinics and that had a huge impact on my day to do work. Anyone for overtime

I work in a nursing home and we were told that the army might be trained and deployed to help with this with army medics overseeing. They will be sending out mobile units to care homes rather than everyone tuning up at the GP.

There are people who have spent their entire lives studying disease transmission. I want those experts to decide how to distribute the vaccine. We as the general public should shut up and listen to people who know what they are talking about.

A Public Health England study concluded that teachers were more likely to catch the virus from each other, or from elsewhere, than from pupils.
It said staff should be vigilant about coronavirus outside school and that care should be taken in shared areas like staff rooms.

Yes my once a week visit to the shop is definitely where I'll be catching covid. Not in any of the small rooms with 32 young adults where I spend 5 hours a day, oh no

I can't believe how many people believe government bullshit.

Age is the biggest risk factor for becoming seriously ill with this virus. So it makes sense for it to be people who work with the elderly and the elderly first, then carry on down by age. Age order is the right approach and I imagine the people drawing up the lists will know what they’re doing as they will look at the actual data rather than random people saying stuff on the internet.

@giggly

Regardless of who’s where on the list I’m more worried about where the magic staff are coming from to do these mass immunisation clinics I’ve just done a round of staff flu immunisation clinics and that had a huge impact on my day to do work. Anyone for overtime

I also think the forces medical regiments will be drafted in to carry out vaccinations.

It's dependent on too many unknown factors. If the supply and logistics chains suggest that the first 4 groups will be vaccinated more or less simultaneously, for example, then does it really matter?

giggly agreed. But it's bizarre that teachers were even mentioned. The title referred to age/vulnerability. I know no teachers in real life who have said they want special treatment. So why are people assuming we do?

I have huge respect for prison staff, recycling teams, supermarket workers, and basically anyone who had to carry on throughout the height of the pandemic. It baffles me that people assume all teachers think they're special and deserve extra.

I'm surprised CEV are number 6. That's concerning.

@giggly

Regardless of who’s where on the list I’m more worried about where the magic staff are coming from to do these mass immunisation clinics I’ve just done a round of staff flu immunisation clinics and that had a huge impact on my day to do work. Anyone for overtime

To be fair, there's minimal skill needed. I remember the days when doctors were the only people allowed to cannulate (which is a much more difficult skill). That would be seen as madness now. I'm sure many people will be trained up to become peer vaccinators.

@Madhairday

I'm surprised CEV are number 6. That's concerning.

Significant numbers of CEV people will be covered in the nursing home, higher age group categories. The very need for nursing home placement covers a large % of CEV patients. As does being 80+. They’re not stand alone categories.

MN has a high percentage of teachers, and they are all crying out to be first in line. What a surprise.

So my father who is not yet 70 and who would most likely die if he contracted the virus is less important....ok.

Personally, I think it should follow the flu jab priority list.

@GlowingOrb

There are people who have spent their entire lives studying disease transmission. I want those experts to decide how to distribute the vaccine. We as the general public should shut up and listen to people who know what they are talking about.

This

It isnt nice to squabble over this.
I'm glad that the very elderly and frail will be getting the vaccine first.
We need to humbly stand in line, but given the shit show with panic buying, I'm not sure that our population is capable of considering others anymore.

The priority of those to receive vaccines has not been decided yet. Prof Van-Tam said It will be decided by The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) which is an independent expert advisory committee. They will surely determine who will get it first based purely on need. He said the priority could change from previously although he expects the older population to get it first.

Personally, I feel that it should be given to care home staff, hospital front-line workers, district nurses and GPs first. Then to CEV then to oldest population. In giving it to health staff first, hopefully any side-effects will be picked up on. I'd hate it to be given to over 85s or CEV first and find a problem that could seriously endanger their lives.