To think the vaccine shouldn't be given out by age criteria?

[studychick81]

I know the data says that the majority of people who get the virus and are most seriously ill or die are the elderly, over 82. But I was quite surprised by the potential order of giving out the vaccine.

1. people in care homes and care home workers- fair enough.

2. over 80s and health care workers.

3. age order oldest- youngest.

4. I don't agree with this. Surely all health care workers should get it before all people over 80? Shouldn't those 50 plus who have underlining issues which means catching it could be deadly get it over a normally healthy over 80 year old?

5. should kids who live with vulnerable adults/grand parents get it before a fit and healthy 40 year old?

6. should teachers, education workers get it before a fit 40 year old?

The New Year isn’t a possibility imo but more to do with time to deploy, two doses three weeks apart, then two weeks to take effect. It will be Spring to do over a certain age, 20m if Pfizer only.

Oxford (please) too then it’s a bit different but probably not by loads as deployment still will take a while.

@SheepandCow

*herd immunity

The juxtaposition of poster and post just there has really brightened my evening!!

@iVampire
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The published list seems to focus on age as a deciding factor for priority.

I am still confused about why teachers are even being discussed. I think someone early up the thread suggested teachers get priority.

It's not been mentioned at all at school. I don't think teachers are too interested in being priority. There's other things going on at the moment like trying to call groups of students on Teams so they can join the lesson from home. Trying to keep to various rules like not handing out pens.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination

@mangothoughts

Again I am left unsurprised that teachers have yet again receive another bashing on Mumsnet. I wonder how many non-teachers currently working at home saying teachers are not at risk would be happy to go into 7 or 8 different classrooms with up to 30 (different) teenagers each time, with very little ventilation, and no ppe (not allowed in the classroom). That's not to mention battling overcrowded corridors, lunch duties, after school duties etc

I definitely don't think teachers should be higher up the list than elderly, those shielding, health workers or other frontline workers (including supermarket staff) but they should be at least considered on the list and higher than your average worker from home.

I'm so fed up with all the teacher bashing, it really goes to show how little people value the profession.

It's really bizarre 🤷🏽‍♀️

I am now classed clinically extremely vulnerable, having started immunotherapy for advanced cancer ... there may be a reason why people like me CANT receive the vaccine - for example due to other medication ...

From this side of the Atlantic, all I can say is, at least there is some plan Over here, our current government has none. NONE. They say, "Oh, we have a plan, we have the best plan ever!" but when asked, "You'll have to wait and see!' Meaning that, as usual, there is no plan.

Alas, we will have to wait until Jan 20 to have a plan. Biden's COVID-19 team is already in place, and working, and has some of the finest scientific and medical minds in the country either working for, or in conjunction with, it.

they should be at least considered on the list and higher than your average worker from home

There is as yet no decision on priority for those under 50 with no known vulnerabilities, so prioritisation by occupation may well happen. Police, military, other emergency services, prison inmates and staff, social workers, probation officers and undertakers should also be prioritised, plus staff in any other residential facilities

@SheepandCow Diabetics were not on Ireland’s cocooning list. They were in the high risk group with people over 60 (over 70s were in the very high risk group told to cocoon) those with less severe asthma, and others, and advised to stay home as much as possible

www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/people-at-higher-risk.html#very-high-risk

@CountessFrog

They aren’t allowed to wear PPE. I’m not a teacher but I’d say that warrants consideration

I'm a TA and see a lot of comments on here about teaching staff not being "allowed" to wear ppe. That's untrue. In my school, masks are mandatory and school supplies them throughout the week. We wear gloves if we want. We are also given aprons if wanted. If anyone chooses to wear a visor then they must also add a mask. Why do so many people think teachers etc are banned from mask wearing and so on? Yes, maybe it's not hospital issue ppe but it does offer some protection and we are encouraged and supported to wear it.

Well that’s fine for you Bbq1 however other schools are following the government guidance that says masks should be avoided in classrooms. The opposite of being encouraged and supported to wear it.

No idea where your school is getting money to kit out teachers either. Certainly not from the government.

@SexTrainGlue

they should be at least considered on the list and higher than your average worker from home

There is as yet no decision on priority for those under 50 with no known vulnerabilities, so prioritisation by occupation may well happen. Police, military, other emergency services, prison inmates and staff, social workers, probation officers and undertakers should also be prioritised, plus staff in any other residential facilities

It should be 45, not 50.

Thanks lyralalala. It's interesting seeing how other countries are doing things.
I understand that Ireland has/had stricter restrictions than us?

(I told myself to get offline for a break but can't resist popping back in. I'll try again).

The people deciding seem well placed to me too. Presumably it is linked with the number of deaths per group. Vaccinating care home staff and health workers is presumably to protect older people.

Regarding fit and healthy 80 year olds, a fair number of these will have underlying conditions they are not aware of such as heart disease.

I was looking at stats earlier, hairdressers and care workers have the highest death rates among female workers.

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-are-the-50-000-people-who-have-died-with-coronavirus-in-the-uk-12129321

What’s weird is that the occupation data was only recorded from 9th March to 25th May. Why were all those hairdressers dying in lockdown when they weren’t at work?

Let's hope that this conversation about prioritising doesn't turn out to be academic because we can't get the stuff.

Bear in mind it's made in Belgium, that it has to be kept at minus seventy, and that there will be massive, like MASSIVE, hold ups going through customs in the new year. See a problem?

I saw that Pfizer announcement. Here in the USA, I know of NO private doctor's offices who have the ability to store at that temperature, and few hospitals. I don't know what will come of it, but it is a bit of hope.

@converseandjeans

The published list seems to focus on age as a deciding factor for priority.

I am still confused about why teachers are even being discussed. I think someone early up the thread suggested teachers get priority.

It's not been mentioned at all at school. I don't think teachers are too interested in being priority. There's other things going on at the moment like trying to call groups of students on Teams so they can join the lesson from home. Trying to keep to various rules like not handing out pens.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination

Have seen your link. I agree that healthcare workers should be prioritised - personally, I think teachers should be on the list too. We're exposing them to lots of people, because they mix with so many children, who in turn mix with so many family members. If the Government wants the schools to stay open, I think it's only fair to prioritise anyone who works in a school.

I think I'd also be inclined to prioritise on grounds of race and gender, i.e. I would put Bangladeshi, Black African and Black Caribbean men higher up.

Prioritising solely on age + healthcare workers seems unfair. It should be based on clinical and occupational risk.

massive, like MASSIVE, hold ups going through customs in the new year. See a problem?

No

Military can hold the cold chain, including in transit, for as long as necessary. They can fly it directly in if necessary

What customs checks do you think would really impact on a critical national supply?

Bbq1

Then I’m confused because teachers have been talking about this on MN throughout the pandemic. I had the impression they were told they definitely were not allowed to wear PPE (which I always thought a bit bizarre).

There have been so many threads and comments suggesting that teachers lives don’t matter, they are being practically slaughtered.

I had the impression they were told they definitely were not allowed to wear PPE

Government has said its to be avoided in classrooms. Not just ‘up to the head’ but to be avoided.

massive, like MASSIVE, hold ups going through customs in the new year. See a problem?

Do you honestly think that the Government would allow critical supplies such as this vaccine to be held in queues at a port/airport?? They will get the highest priority.

@noblegiraffe

Well that’s fine for you Bbq1 however other schools are following the government guidance that says masks should be avoided in classrooms. The opposite of being encouraged and supported to wear it.

No idea where your school is getting money to kit out teachers either. Certainly not from the government.

I work in Special Ed so that may make a difference. Our children are especially vulnerable. We have aprons and gloves as standard. Masks are the only new addition.

@MagicSummer

massive, like MASSIVE, hold ups going through customs in the new year. See a problem?

Do you honestly think that the Government would allow critical supplies such as this vaccine to be held in queues at a port/airport?? They will get the highest priority.

Maybe they will get Seaborne Freight to ferry it over