Child's class bubble close but should it have been?

[TellerTuesday4EVA]

This also happened to a friend with DC at a different school.

Message to parents last night, DD's class bubble will now be closed and children to isolate for 14 days as a child in the bubble has tested positive over the weekend.

Class group chat starts, one mum comes on & says it's X but we're ok. Then says X doesn't have any symptoms, was me on Friday afternoon and husband Saturday but we got her tested anyway and it's positive.

Now every single thing I have read says only to have a test if you develop symptoms. X would have to self isolate anyway due to the parents having positive tests but by getting her tested they now closed the bubble and all 30 kids are at home for 14 days. This what would happen if following the rules but then it shows the system if flawed as this child obviously did have it and was asymptotic.

So I don't know if I'm right to be annoyed by this or not. I'm certainly not looking forward to 2 weeks home schooling again.

To be honest, whether she should or should not have been tested is now irrelevant.

The fact is that the child is Covid positive.
Therefore her close contacts have to be put into isolation - in this case that's her class at school.

@Oysterbabe

Exact same thing happened at my son's nursery. We're on 2nd week of isolation because his friend, who was asymptomatic, tested positive. Whole nursery closed. It does irritate me because she had no symptoms and should not have been tested, just isolated with her parents.

Why does it irritate you? If the child had not been tested, and continued to attend nursery, it would have spread amongst all the children in their room, their parents etc etc.

So what do you think about this (real life) scenario OP... it has happened in our school today.
A child in reception was due to go for minor surgery this week. Covid test pre admission as a caution, positive result today. No symptoms. The bubble has been sent home to isolate.
Same as your scenario in that the child had no symptoms... should the class be isolating?

I mean someone close to your child has the virus... and your problem is knowing that they have it and now rightly so closed the bubble. I think they done the responsible thing and you should be grateful.

Oysterbabe
Exact same thing happened at my son's nursery. We're on 2nd week of isolation because his friend, who was asymptomatic, tested positive. Whole nursery closed. It does irritate me because she had no symptoms and should not have been tested, just isolated with her parents.

But she did test positive - irrelevant if you think she should or should not have been tested. She was tested. She is positive for Covid. She may have passed it on to other children or staff. They need to isolate to ensure they don't then pass it on unknowingly to others, especially vulnerable people.

Is this thread a joke? So a kid tests positive, parents get X tested but x had no symptoms and they were right to!

Alternative scenario bubble stays open as one child has it but parents didn’t get them tested so don’t know. Then say 12 out of 30 kids get virus and have no symptoms and say they spread it to 2 people each that’s now 36 people with it, say they spread it to family, grandparents other friends. How many people have to die before we take this seriously?!?

@TellerTuesday4EVA YABVU.

Regardless of whether she was tested or not the child would still have had to have self isolated, the school informed and the bubble closed.

Regardless if the child had been tested or not the outcome would have been the same. This is not about the bubble closing, this is about you having butt hurt over "rule breaking".

At the end of the day this is a mother worried for her child, is it ideal? No. But considering MumsNetters on here are vowing to break lockdown rules over a turkey dinner if necessary, I think getting a child swabbed for Covid who turned out to be Positive anyway is hardly the end of the world, nor is it a waste of a swab.

Get over it.

Wow, thank goodness parents ignored the guidelines and tested their dc. Imagine if they hadn’t and she was there infecting other staff and dc who were going home to their families. Of course the bubble should be closed, as a class member has corona virus!

Regardless of whether she was tested or not the child would still have had to have self isolated, the school informed and the bubble closed.

Not true, a child isolating due to another contact testing positive does not close a bubble. We'd hardly have any open otherwise. Only a direct positive test in a class burts the bubble.

Is there not a case to be made that if X is positive and the rest of their family negative, that x may well have caught it at school and therefore an undiagnosed positive person is now ‘self isolating’ having ‘been in contact with x’?

If you are told to self isolate/quarantine, please just do it.

YABVU

The child still has the virus eventhough they’re asymptomatic.

Shows the flaws in the testing system!
Im surprised the child got a test because a friend of mine was in a similar situation and they refused to test her child as her child did not have any symptoms.
The whole track and trace thing has huge holes in it.
If they had followed the guidance on testing the class bubble would still be open, however I don't think you can complain because although I sympathise with 2 weeks of home schooling in the long run its better to close the bubble to stop it spreading

Here’s what you should do op.

Phone the Test and Trace people. Tell them that this stupid mother had her symptomless child tested, which is against the rules and that no one should know she has Covid.

Then T&T can maybe revoke their positive test letter and the school can invite all children (except x, back to school).

There you go!

Btw, as a concerned teacher, it’s fantastic to see parents with our safety at heart.

OP I’m not entirely sure you realise how stupid you are sounding at the moment. X is asymptotic, could have potentially passed it on to A, B and C already in the class the previous week. A, B and C have been running around spreading this unknowingly up until now. PLEASE DO NOT spout “but it’s a lockdown they should be going straight home”, as a member of school staff I see what happens and hear what happens at the end of the school day, THEY ARE NOT GOING STRAIGHT HOME.....THEY GO AND PLAY IN THE PARK MIXING WITH EVRY TOM, DICK AND HARRY!! So by closing the class bubble they are stopping the spread from A, B and C and other potentials within that class.

They were being cautious when they tested but upshot is they did and it’s great that they did. Because the chances of it being passed around the class have now been significantly reduced.

It could be like my daughter class, they went on isolation the week of half term (26th October)
Went back on Friday and yesterday only to find out some selfish parent let their child take the 11+ then go get tested (presumably had symptoms) then let them attend school yesterday (should have been isolating whilst waiting for results) now the whole class is back in isolation for another two weeks I don’t know what is going on with some parents, who claim
They didn’t know they had to isolate whilst waiting for results

So so bizarre. They are protecting your child and your whole family and the families of all of the other children and all of the staff.
Suck it up and listen to yourself.
Poor teachers .
You had children, stop whinging that you actually have to put some effort in with them.
Unbelievable.

Whether it not this makes any sense depends on if asymptomatic people actually pass the virus on.

Everyone on this thread is assuming that they do but they haven't really shown that yet. I think people are confused because they have shown that presymptomatic people pass the virus on.

They do probably need to increase the numbers of symptoms that are tested for though especially in children as many supposedly asymptomatic children may actually have symptoms just not the ones on the list. That makes more sense to me than testing people without symptoms.

The test can only pick up the viral RNA, not show if the virus is live and the person is infectious.

You don’t have to isolate whilst waiting for results if you don’t have symptoms. If you’re part of a study where you’re tested at random or if the parents work in a job where they and their family are regularly tested then it’s perfectly ok for them to carry on whilst waiting for results.
We’ve had one student who had a positive test result come through whilst she was in school. She had no symptoms and is tested regularly with the rest of the family with private tests provided by her mum’s employer. She was the only member of the family to test positive and none of them had symptoms so they had it done anything wrong.

OP you are ridiculous and selfish. No concern shown for other families and school staff. That positive test and subsequent isolation for the bubble could help stop a spread to vulnerable people.

@Isolationbeauty

It could be like my daughter class, they went on isolation the week of half term (26th October) Went back on Friday and yesterday only to find out some selfish parent let their child take the 11+ then go get tested (presumably had symptoms) then let them attend school yesterday (should have been isolating whilst waiting for results) now the whole class is back in isolation for another two weeks I don’t know what is going on with some parents, who claim They didn’t know they had to isolate whilst waiting for results

Surely that depends on why they tested.

One of mine gets tested weekly as part of a programme. If they ever test positive people are going to be thinking the same of me as you have that child’s parent when I’ll have done nothing wrong

TellerTuesday4EVA whenever I've been tested, I've been asked if I want my household testing as well, even if they aren't displaying symptoms. Colleagues have been advised to have family members tested when they've tested positive, even if they are symptomless - though a negative test is useless!

So your argument OP is that you would have preferred these parents not have tested their child so that asymptotic positive child could come in to school to pass on to her friends/ teaching staff who then pass on to their own friends/families because you don’t fancy two more weeks of homeschooling?

And people wonder why the teaching unions were up in arms about returning when there are heroes like you at home complaining about parents (rightly) testing their children and schools following procedure - absolutely batshit

It's ridiculous!

I currently have one dc off school because her bubble is closed but her sister can go in to the same school!
I'm clinically vulnerable. I don't want my other dc going in to a school where other members of her class also have siblings in that bubble. Plus parents are bribing closed bubble siblings to school to drop non closed bubble siblings to and from school.

Makes absolutely no sense.
In hanging around waiting to die.