He can thcream and thcream until he’s sick but the US has taken its future back (Trump thread #112)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

They’ve only been and gone and done it.
Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4072116--Trump-thread-No-111-and-the-count-goes-on?pg=10

@lyralalala

Trump has fired the Defence Secretary Mark Esper.

I hope this isn’t the start of him making deliberately bad decisions to make things worse for Biden in January

I'm reading that this has been twisted (by Trump, obvs) and Mark Esper resigned last week. Trying to find the source. I'll be back!

Esper had prepared his resignation, but was waiting to be fired, according to NBC -

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/long-odds-trump-defense-secretary-esper-has-prepared-resignation-letter-n1245846

How much taxes you pay that cover these things?

Most economic analyses I've seen suggest that the average UK taxpayer pays less towards the NHS in taxes and NI than the average American does in insurance premiums. America has the highest spend per capita on healthcare of any G7 country, and on demographic measures like life expectancy, maternal mortality, infant mortality, has some of the worst outcomes.

The NHS has its flaws (late cancer diagnosis for instance - our cancer outcomes are worse than nearby western European nations) but I'd take it over the US any day.

(And I'm currently something of a frequent flyer - week in hospital with acute gall bladder, then elective gall bladder removal in the last year, last week was in A&E - ER to you - with DS's rugby concussion. All without ever having to worry about co-pays, maxing out my insurance, pre-existing conditions invalidating my insurance. It's slow, ponderous, clunky and a bit run down, but it's still damn impressive.)

[quote PatriciaHolm]Esper had prepared his resignation, but was waiting to be fired, according to NBC -

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/long-odds-trump-defense-secretary-esper-has-prepared-resignation-letter-n1245846[/quote]
Yes, I was wrong, he was prepared but hadn't actually done it.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/524725-esper-amid-resignation-talk-reportedly-working-with-lawmakers-to-strip

*Blueberries
"I looked up what my meds would cost in the US: $3500 per month, but the NHS provides them to me for free - chronic lifelong condition so I don't have to pay the prescription charge.
"How anyone can say that the Affordable Care Act is bad is beyond me."
How much taxes you pay that cover these things?

Because I cannot work for health reasons and am anyway over state pension age, I pay only 20% VAT on goods other than those which are VAT exempt (details here www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-of-vat-on-different-goods-and-services ) which is a universal tax paid by anyone who buys anything: it replaced what was called "Purchase Tax" last century. I also have to pay a local fee (was the rates, now called Council Tax) on my ownership of a house, which goes to pay for local services -- highway maintenance, state education, public transport, environmental protection, planning, child and adult social care, police, housing, waste management, health, stuff like that.

Happy Talk!
https://twitter.com/jamieglackin1/status/1325875857487958016?s=21

I prefer the word "sacked" not fired.

Dislike the American nomencliture that is creeping in, along with the accent on this side of the Pond. Ugh.

But I suppose it is inclusivity and all the other idiotic excuses for losing our identity. YouTube, Insta, etc. I get that. But why must it be whiny American accents all the time. LOL.

In this case "you're fired" is peculiarly apt. Which is probably why Trump used the more menacing word "terminated" in Esper's instance.

This confuses me... isn't trump, in all his ranting about voting fraud, actually accusing other Republicans of fraud. As far as I know (and I could be wrong), during the voting process the ballots must be counted with both a Dem and Rep representative present, so that their isn't any fraud. So is he insisting that those Republicans involved in the voting process are dirty?

He's complaining about a whole bunch of (non-evidenced) things, including claiming that in some states Republican watchers were denied access to watch, or had to stand too far away. Alongside a whole bunch of other out-there stuff about dead people voting, or voting machines suddenly counting R votes as Dem votes, or aliens voting (note last one may be my invention ;-) but it's only a matter of time....!)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54724960

@SonjaHeniesTutu

This confuses me... isn't trump, in all his ranting about voting fraud, actually accusing other Republicans of fraud. As far as I know (and I could be wrong), during the voting process the ballots must be counted with both a Dem and Rep representative present, so that their isn't any fraud. So is he insisting that those Republicans involved in the voting process are dirty?

You've not factored in that Trump is stupid. Cunning, sly, but stupid.

He's spinning off as much mis/disinformation as he can to give fuel to as many conspiracy theories as he can SonjaHeniesTutu. Although you're expecting there to be logic and consistency in his fabrications this isn't necessary at all. In fact, I suspect that conspiracy theories work better when they're based on some degree of clearly false information. Keep in mind that we're not his audience.

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom

In this case "you're fired" is peculiarly apt. Which is probably why Trump used the more menacing word "terminated" in Esper's instance.

Fun fact, do you know where the phrase “given the sack” comes from? Following a jousting competition, the loser would be put in a sack and dragged behind his victorious opponents horse!

Sounds like a good option for the Trump clan 😜

Sorry I meant to quote @Zixxy there

Trump was crying about vote rigging 6 months before the election when no one had actually voted. He's been yelling fraud before anything happened so it's not surprising anyone is listening to him now.

Pfizer has a different story of course.

Mike Pence
@Mike_Pence

'HUGE NEWS: Thanks to the public-private partnership forged by President @realDonaldTrump, @pfizer announced its Coronavirus Vaccine trial is EFFECTIVE, preventing infection in 90% of its volunteers.'

Trump jr is saying "you want evidence? We've got signed witness statements. That's evidence"
But Trump has been showing us for 4 years... People lie.

Pfizer did not receive development funding

It's like a pick 'n' mix conspiracy theory - they're throwing every possible type of electoral fraud they can think of so there's something for everyone! Trucks of ballots, dead people, dodgy sharpies - a fraud for every type of believer

Oh good grief.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1325892822600306688?s=21

Sorry, that was a link,to Kyle Griffin on Twitter: Bloomberg: David Bossie, an outside adviser to Donald Trump who is leading his post-election fight over vote counts, has tested positive for coronavirus, according to people familiar with the matter.

Thank you for the responses! That all makes sense when you look at it using trump's weird logic. I guess I would just be massively pissed off if I was a Republican rep who was involved in the process and was then hearing that the process was deemed crooked.

They were there, they must know he's full of shit.

Can you imagine 😂

www.express.co.uk/news/world/1357996/joe-biden-news-boris-johnson-barack-obama-part-kenyan-uk-ambassador-us-trade-deal-latest

Make Hilary Clinton Attorney General so she can deal all of Trumps shady dealings 🙌😂🎉

@Grrrpredictivetex

Make Hilary Clinton Attorney General so she can deal all of Trumps shady dealings 🙌😂🎉

That would be brilliant.