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Who is unreasonable, him or her in the following....

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HusbandVsMother · 07/11/2020 08:42

Regular user but name changed for this.

For the record, I love both my husband and mother dearly but I also know both their faults. I'm lucky in that my mum and DH generally get on really well and love each other also.

My mother is to be frank, two faced and will never ever ever ever admit she's wrong or apologise. She will talk about other family members and criticise them no end, but is sweet as pie to their face. A classic example, one of my relatives recently turned 80. Now, I have a small family being mum, uncle, aunt & uncle and their two kids. All over the age of 40. Mum is part of the family by marriage to by now deceased father. The elder members of the family always go out for meals together and the aunt turned 80. An expensive meal was arranged. Mum and uncle (aunts brother) were left out despite always having been invited to birthdays before. Uncle was so upset about it that he still doesn't speak to Aunt. In fact he refused to go out for a meal just the four of them as it was a consolation prize in his view. Mum went on and on about it for days about how it was wrong - but still speaks to them on the phone and is now going to theirs for Christmas. Not once has she let them know how she feels.

Contrast this with DH - in the same scenario, he would refuse to have anything to do with his sister until she apologised. His fault is he can be stubborn and often cuts his nose off to spite his face. He regularly calls me mum two faced. I just go along with it because its how she's always been (my dad was a doormat) and I'm used to it.

So, that was just to illustrate the type of people we are dealing with.

Last night, talking on the phone as we do daily...... DH was telling mum about his day at work. This is something she is genuinely interested in and always asks to hear about. Four sentences after he started speaking she said "Sorry to interrupt but I can't believe how people around here can afford all the fireworks going off". At that point DH passed the phone back to me and said, you talk to her I'm not anymore. When we finished on the phone he kept going on about how she was being ignorant. Which she was but its her.

That was completely irrelevant to the conversation and did not need to be said then, She has form for talking over you and interrupting - its like she gets a brain fart and what ever it is has to be said right there an then.

She seem to think that because she said "Sorry to interrupt" its ok. I've tried explaining to her that it pisses me off as well as its as thought what your saying is not important enough for her to listen to - especially when its something not even connected to the conversation. All she says is "Well I'm sorry I'm not perfect" in a very sarcastic tone of voice.

She's 76 but has all her mental faculties so dementia is not the issue. Although that is her get out clause for everything "Its my age, its my age"

DH will calm down eventually but I'm worried that one day he won't when she pushes his buttons. Talking over people is the one thing he can't stand along with three way conversations i.e. I'm talking to you on the phone but you start in the background talking to someone else about something. If he's on the phone to his sister and she starts shouting at her kids he just hangs up.

I think it bothers me more because when I was with ExDH - my mother and him hated each other and it was horrible. I like the fact that both of them get on but at some point, one of them is going to push the other two far.

I'm not putting voting on because I can't work out which side is which - just wanted some thoughts on who is being most unreasonable - my guess is both

OP posts:
workhomesleeprepeat · 07/11/2020 10:41

@iklboogeymum

Give DH a map of the universe and show him it doesn't revolve around him.
Brilliant Grin
DreadingSeason2020sFinale · 07/11/2020 10:42

Perhaps if you Mother had been pulled up on her dreadful behaviour more she would have put a stop to that shit years ago? I know my ILs have stopped talking about "Darkies" in my presence because I'm not going to excuse their racism like DH does with the "Well that's just the way they are" or using their upbringing, the fact it's always been normal and acceptable or yes, 'their age', another get out of jail free card too.

To be fair to them, (well, MIL as FIL is still racist as fuck) because I've pulled her up so much about it and other issues (feminist, sexist and racist) she's has become more reasonable and has gone less 'Trump Supporter' to more 'reasonable human being'

JamminDoughnuts · 07/11/2020 10:44

he doesnt sound easy going

ArtieFufkinPolymerRecords · 07/11/2020 10:49

Presumably she could hear fireworks going off whilst she was on the phone and that's why she commented then.

Just to be clear your husband IBU and sounds like a stroppy child.

user1493494961 · 07/11/2020 10:50

Your DH sounds awful.

Shoxfordian · 07/11/2020 10:54

They both sound really difficult

HidingFromDD · 07/11/2020 10:59

Xh used to complain about people interrupting him. I could never get him to understand that a conversation is a two way thing and he should leave spaces for other people to chip in, then they wouldn’t need to interrupt. He just used to give pompous monologues.

WRT the meal, I assume this has been fairly recent, like since March? I’d restrict numbers to an 80 year olds meal in the current circumstances

HTH1 · 07/11/2020 11:22

Your family sounds really over sensitive, especially DH. Also, why shouldn’t an old lady go out for her birthday with her husband and two children without the wider family becoming offended?!

Whatsonmymindgrapes · 07/11/2020 11:58

Your husband sounds really childish. He hangs up
On his sister when she shouts at her kids? He sounds very self obsessed. He’s the most important person in every room right?

tara66 · 07/11/2020 12:01

Storm in a tea cup?

FlyNow · 07/11/2020 12:09

@DelphiniumBlue

As I read it, a couple( aunt and uncle) went out for a meal with their own children, but your mum and uncle got offended by that, even though they were invited out on a separate occasion to celebrate the same birthday . Your mother( sensibly) doesn't cause a family rift over this complete non- issue, but your DH thinks she should have done. He them( like a total knob) takes it personally when an old lady absentmindedly interrupts to make a passing comment. He also behaves like a dick to his own sister. Who is in the wrong, you ask??
I agree with this.
GenevaL · 07/11/2020 12:11

God, I wish the issues in my family were as minimal as this. You are all being extremely petty and unreasonable!

SquishySquirmy · 07/11/2020 12:15

Your dh sounds like hard work to be honest.

picklemewalnuts · 07/11/2020 12:23

Your husband is wrong- your mum exclaimed about fireworks, who wouldn't?

As for speaking to people whose behaviour you don't approve of, well that's normal too! I don't judge other people's choices, I'd rather stay in touch even if they don't always behave as I'd like them to. I'd be amazed if anyone still had family they speak to if that was the norm.

Your mum is normal, your husband is hard work.

JoeBidenIsGreat · 07/11/2020 12:28

My 2p:
The msg she gave is "You are boring I want to talk about my life instead!" I totally get why he finds it annoying if this happens all the time. But he knows she's like that & won't change now. He needs to change his expectations because she'll shuffle off the mortal coil before long & he wants to keep OP in his life -- possibly a good grandmother in the children's lives, too.

He can conversationally summarise his situations in the 2 short sentences that wouldn't bore her. MOST people are just like her, they only want to talk about themselves. She's just a bit more obvious about it. He needs to develop skills to deal with them. Show he can be the better person.

RightOnTheEdge · 07/11/2020 12:45

If he's on the phone to his sister and she starts shouting at her kids he just hangs up.
Fgs that's pathetic. Your DH is so important that his sister is expected to ignore whatever her children are doing or he will have a tantrum and put the phone down on her?
He sounds awful.

I don't think it's that bad what your Mum did over the meal.
So she wasn't happy and moaned a bit to you but then she got over it and is spending Christmas with them.
That's nice!
Your DH would have caused a drama and fallen out with them just because they wanted to have a family meal without him.

You said that side of the family and your mum are old. You never know sadly how long any of them are going to be around.
Your husband's stubborn attitude over petty issues might mean never getting the chance to make up one day.

Coyoacan · 07/11/2020 13:09

I really hate two-faced people but your mother doesn't sound two-faced from the example you gave, just diplomatic.

Your dh is quite OTT but then I would be like your mother in that conversation and it drives my dd mad.

ILoveYoga · 07/11/2020 13:28

I don’t think your mother has done anything wrong in relation to aunt’s birthday meal, letting you know how hurt she was by it but choosing her battles do not cutting off her family over it.

However, Your uncle sounds like your DH and perhaps that’s your fear - that he will cut off your mother because of her way of talking in a conversation.

Your DH needs to know that different people have different conversation styles. For many people, giving an observation during a conversation then going back to the subject matter is not an offence to cut off talking to one another

If it’s fine during every conversation, yes, it’s annoying but it is their quirk. To completely stop talking with the person I think is the more rude thing

Perhaps you need to tell your mother when you DH stops talking with her in the occasion it is because of the interruption so she is aware of it and tries to concentrate on his words as it’s your DH quirk that he cannot focus on on more than one topic at a time.

BronwenFrideswide · 07/11/2020 13:33

I agree with the majority of posters so far, your husband sounds like an insufferable knob with a superiority complex who thinks the world revolves around him. Rude, rigid, arrogant, condescending and stubborn are unpleasant traits.

Conversations are not monologues, they shift and segue onto completely unrelated topics in an instant on the basis that are at least two people involved who have different minds and thought processes. The joys of conversations with parents, siblings, friends, colleagues, anyone really is the fact that they can go off at the most odd tangents. Your husband putting the phone down on his sister if she shouts at her children instead of saying something like "What are they up to now?" and continuing the conversation shows that he doesn't want a conversation, just a tedious monologue with the listener paying rapt attention to his utterings and that applies to his conversation with your mother too. It's all about him, listen to me whilst I hold forth.

Irritating as it may be that people become distracted whilst in conversation either on the phone or face to face, that's life, stuff happens, children are masters at being distracting.

I can't see that what your mother has done regarding the meal is completely wrong either, she was upset about not being invited to a birthday meal, vented her upset to you to get it out of her system, didn't rant to those who left her out which would have upset them and tainted their celebrations, as a result the relationship between them has been maintained so much so that she is spending Christmas with them. Yes, you could take the view that what she did is two faced but alternately you could take the view that she was just expressing her hurt feelings to someone she trusted so she could see things more objectively and put it into perspective.

In a nutshell your husband sounds like a right dick.

satnighttakeaway · 07/11/2020 15:02

Well @HusbandVsMother you're going to get quite the surprise when you come back to the thread.

Pretty much unanimous that your DH is immature and self-centred

Trisolaris · 07/11/2020 15:10

My mum is awful for this - asks a question then makes an inane unrelated comment halfway through the answer. It’s annoying but she won’t change and there are worse things in the world. My dp also gets distracted easily (classic ADHD behaviours but no formal diagnosis)

Both are annoying traits but I’m not perfect either.

The unreasonable one is the one who gets the huff - your husband!

MiddlesexGirl · 07/11/2020 18:03

Maybe limit DH speaking to your mum? Every day seems completely OTT so no wonder he's snippy. Is he compelled to speak to DSis too?

rebeccachoc · 07/11/2020 18:49

I'm a the DH on the interrupting thing. My DP does that all the time and I hate it. It's not just conversations go off on a tangent, it's a respect thing. He always thinks what he has to say is more important than what I'm saying so I feel like I don't matter. It's not like he interjects like about the fireworks then let's me continue, he interjects about something really petty then that's the end of the conversation and I'm left never saying my point.

I don't know what to say about whose in the right or wrong in the whole saga, but had to say this as I don't think it's fair the DH is being compared to a child because of his dislike of that.

SocialBees · 07/11/2020 18:52

They both sound stubborn and annoying but your DH comes out of this worse.

marjolaine · 07/11/2020 19:22

@DelphiniumBlue

As I read it, a couple( aunt and uncle) went out for a meal with their own children, but your mum and uncle got offended by that, even though they were invited out on a separate occasion to celebrate the same birthday . Your mother( sensibly) doesn't cause a family rift over this complete non- issue, but your DH thinks she should have done. He them( like a total knob) takes it personally when an old lady absentmindedly interrupts to make a passing comment. He also behaves like a dick to his own sister. Who is in the wrong, you ask??
This.
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