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Trump thread #110 where the orange one is going away

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freddosfrogs · 06/11/2020 04:18

How long will this one take to fill ?

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Clavinova · 06/11/2020 13:37

Joe, a white working-class 18-year-old man from Bolton.

18 year old Joe from Bolton probably didn't vote in the general election - the turn-out in Bolton was around 65%. On the other hand - 40 year old Joe from Bolton was probably a bit miffed when he heard that Labour were going to increase his road tax to fund a massive discount on rail tickets for relatively well-off commuters in the South East.

TheMShip · 06/11/2020 13:38

The actual number of mail in ballots received after Tuesday in Pennsylvania has so far been quite small, perhaps less than 5000 in total going by the quote in the article linked.

eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/05/pennsylvania-mail-ballots-arriving-3-day-window-not-make-break/6179946002/

"Some smaller counties reported receiving zero ballots, and some larger ones received about 500 the day after Election Day. That's not many, Boockvar said."

CaraDuneRedux · 06/11/2020 13:42

Let's say you have Elizabeth, a 18-year-old black woman who lives in a council flat in Tower Hamlets and you also have Joe, a white working-class 18-year-old man from Bolton. In reality Elizabeth and Joe probably share a lot of experiences and understandings but populism has convinced Joe that he has more in common with Jacob Rees-Mogg than he does with Elizabeth, and populism has ignored Elizabeth entirely, (often questioning her legitimacy as a UK citizen) and has crafted the perception that all the left are elite.

BIt off topic as I'm digressing into UK politics, but I think a lot of this is transferrable to discussions about the Democrats and the rust belt in the USA.

Your point is broadly speaking right, but I think only half of an analysis. Aditya Chakraborty, the Guardian's economics editor (whose analysis I always find to be bang on), wrote a fantastic piece post Brexit, where he pointed out that for Joe in Bolton (I think it was actually Sid in Sunderland), in real terms he was worse off than ten years ago. The economy (barring a highly artifical housing boom in the SE) still hadn't clawed its way back from where it was before the 2008 crash. So when the north of England poor (or for that matter, poor in inner London boroughs) said "well, where are all these marvellous benefits in terms of jobs and trade and income that the EU is supposed to bring us", they had a point about the absence of a trick-down effect into their own lives, even if they were pinning the blame on the wrong culprit.

And in a sense, Joe and Sid were actually right - it is far from clear that globalisation and internationalism, acting in tandem with close to free-market capitalism, are a force for good if you're poor. And I think the left too often ignores that. They're so wedded to "internationalism good" that they ignore the more nuanced message that "internationalism co-opted by capitalism in a wage/job conditions race to the bottom is often bad for the poorest."

The suspicion among people at the bottom of the heap that a lot of the stuff better off liberals push as a liberal economic agenda is mainly good for better off liberals isn't entirely without foundation, I think. Where they go wrong is then ascribing the causes of the problem wrongly (saying it's down to immigration, rather than unfettered capitalism).

IDontMindMarmite · 06/11/2020 13:45

Any ideas when we'll get a definitive outcome for a state yet?

Phoenix21 · 06/11/2020 13:46

@CaraDuneRedux I think that’s spot on. I’d just add that the right have capitalised on the ‘left-behind’.

Newjobnewslob · 06/11/2020 13:47

PA is due to post more votes any minute, unlikely to push Biden ahead, but the next tranche could.

I've left Fox now, it was too shouty

Copperas · 06/11/2020 13:49

CNN live is just about to report on the next tranche of Pennsylvania votes

CaveMum · 06/11/2020 13:50

Pennsylvania are due to update soon (promised an update “in the next two hours” at midday) and Georgia are saying they’ve counted 99% of ballots.

womanaf · 06/11/2020 13:51

Biden ahead in Pennsylvania!

NettleTea · 06/11/2020 13:51

biden taken the lead in Pensylvania

CaveMum · 06/11/2020 13:51

Biden has pulled ahead by around 5,000 votes in Pennsylvania.

womanaf · 06/11/2020 13:51

5.5k

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 06/11/2020 13:51

Did anyone see Emily Maitlis on News night last night?

BBC News - US election: Republican Randi Reed clashes with Emily Maitlis over vote count
www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54833319

HoldingTight · 06/11/2020 13:51

Woohoo!!

AcrossthePond55 · 06/11/2020 13:51

PA new results, city of Philly

Biden 353,950
Trump 125,513

Statewide: Biden now leads by 5580 votes

Biden 49.4%
Trump 49.3%

Still too close to call. Another batch expected from Philly as well as other parts of PA

maggiethecat · 06/11/2020 13:52

Yes!! Leading in Pennsylvania now Grin

InglouriousBasterd · 06/11/2020 13:53

Yes Philly!!

BlueCatRedCat · 06/11/2020 13:53

CNN reporting Trump has no plans to concede according to sources inside the White House, even if he had no clear path to victory.

CaveMum · 06/11/2020 13:54

CNN showing the figures for the key states

Trump thread #110 where the orange one is going away
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CherryValanc · 06/11/2020 13:54

87% for Biden of that tranche in Pennsylvania.

How embarrassing for Trump he got under 4,000 votes in that!

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2020 13:54

Anthony Zurcher@awzurcher (BBC senior North America reporter)
The first call of Pennsylvania for Biden. This would deliver the White House to him. Major networks have yet to follow.

Decision Desk HQ @DecisionDeskHQ
Decision Desk HQ projects that @JoeBiden has won Pennsylvania and its 20 electoral college votes for a total of 273.

Joe Biden has been elected the 46th President of the United States of America.

Race called at 11-06 08:50 AM EST

DuncinToffee · 06/11/2020 13:56

Beth Rigby @bethrigby

BREAKING: Biden into the lead in Pennsylvania. If lead holds he’ll be the 46th President of the United States

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2020 13:57

PRESIDENT BIDEN

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 06/11/2020 13:57

Holding my breath....

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