To think you don’t “accidentally” strangle someone to death?

[DrizzleandDamp]

I give up, no murder conviction for this man:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8884251/Police-officer-41-not-guilty-murdering-wife.html

There is no point me pursuing my case when these are the decisions made!

I’ve been reading a bit about the loss of control defence off the back of this and it does seem quite mad really.

He literally got away with murder because a jury decided this arsehole had a justifiable sense of being seriously wronged by this woman.

Because, allegedly, she told his wife about their affair and he claims this deprived him of the opportunity to do so himself.

So according to this jury, any reasonable person might have strangled a woman to death for such impertinence.

"and he claims this deprived him of the opportunity to do so himself"

Yeah, because 10yrs isn't enough, is it?!

Women have also been given lesser terms in the past for crimes of passion .

Not saying it’s right . But it has happened .

@Quartz2208

Exactly , although to be honest jail terms for murder or manslaughter can still be low
these days . I hope he gets at least 10 or 15 years , but can’t see it happening .

Narcissist to the highest degree.

If what they're reporting his family have said about him ("a true gent" ) is accurate, it sounds similar to the Chris Watts/Shannan Watts case, albeit this bloke killed his mistress, not his wife and daughters. Both self-obsessed golden boys who've got away with behaving like pieces of shit for years because they've charmed their family members (and everyone else) into thinking they're above reproach.

Whichever way you look at it, disgusting man.

I have been hurt by two abusive husbands - now ex husbands. Both charming. The first one - put his hand around my throat and squeezed, he was silent, his eyes glistened and without a shadow of a doubt he could of killed me in that second. I don’t know why he didn’t kill me. It was 20 years ago now but he got away with it - just a divorce. My second ex did again an assault in total and scary silence - again he knew what he was doing and he had worked in the police force. Just under 10 years ago but nothing was done - his word against mine. It’s chilling.

Women have also been given lesser terms in the past for crimes of passion.

Not saying it’s right . But it has happened

Men are respond for 90% of violent crime. Around 92% of murders are committed by men.

Let’s not go all Whataboutery.

@PatriciaPerch

That makes him sound more stupid to be honest . He would have got away with it by just saying I lost my temper and I was pushing her away from me at the same time by the throat . I did not mean to kill her but I did mean to hurt her . That would have still been manslaughter.

I have been “strangled “ by an ex who lost his temper with me and it is a horrible feeling I had to scratch him badly across the face to stop him . I hope he was not trying to kill me but how would I know what was going though his mind . I think it was more about control .

Obviously Claire Party is the tragic victims here, her and her children. But I also keep thinking about Martha Brehmer, the wife. Imagine having no idea your husband was unfaithful for a decade during which time you have his child. Imagine being a detective on a police force where your husband is known as a sexual predator, and sleeps with colleagues, but nobody tells you, his wife and a detective. Imagine telling your son his Dad murdered someone and is never coming home and then having the tabloids stalk you and him. Imagine living with the fact that a text to you led to the death of another woman. How does she get back from that?

@SmileEachDay

Oh well we should have just said murder without a trial then .

Statistics are everything .

Save ourselves a lot of time and money .

Unsure33

This thread is about Claire Parry. A woman, killed by a man.

@40PlusTTC

Well said . There are a lot of victims in this case and I hope the judge appreciates that and throws the book at him . He can still do that .

@SmileEachDay

I appreciate that I already said I hope he gets the same sentence as he would have done for murder .

Which could happen .

We are arguing about the technicalities between murder and manslaughter . Nothing else .

This case has really been playing on my mind since it first came into the press. Ive been involved in a similar affair type situation, messy and upsetting but my god no-one deserves to die.

My heart breaks for her and her family. I can't believe he might get away with it. Very interested to see what the sentencing and remarks are tomorrow.

@diddl

What an absolute piece of shit he is.

A lot won't agree with me, but someone with his obvious lack of morals should have been ousted from the force.

Let's hope he at least gets as long a term as possible.

Seconded.

@SmileEachDay

Women have also been given lesser terms in the past for crimes of passion.

Not saying it’s right . But it has happened

Men are respond for 90% of violent crime. Around 92% of murders are committed by men.

Let’s not go all Whataboutery.

That's not the point she was making, she was talking about sentencing.

If people are going to say he is getting a light sentence because he is a man, it would be untrue if it turned out that women in similar scenarios also received similar sentences. That's not whataboutery it's just logic.

As it is we don't know what sort of sentence this guy will get.

This has really shaken me. It keeps happening, doesn't it, that these men get away with it. His poor victim, she must have been so terrified. He sounds like a narcissist. He absolutely meant to kill her.

I wanted to say in defence of the jury system that having served on a jury has led me to place even greater trust in the jury system than I already did.

I think there is something very powerful in leaving the decision on guilt or innocence to a reasonably sized group of average members of the public.

I don’t understand this verdict but will await sight of the sentencing remarks before coming to any settled opinion.

It is always so difficult when you haven’t seen the full evidence.

[quote Unsure33]@Quartz2208

Exactly , although to be honest jail terms for murder or manslaughter can still be low
these days . I hope he gets at least 10 or 15 years , but can’t see it happening .[/quote]
Me neither.

If sudden loss of control is accepted, there's no premeditation or other factors that increase the seriousness of the offence in the strict legal sense, he's an upstanding citizen apart from being a serial adulterer and a killer, a brave enforcer of the law up until the day he broke it etc, I'd say something iro 6 years. I'd be surprised if it's more than 8.

Then part of that will be reduced because he pleaded guilty. I think they knock off a third if he pleaded guilty at an early stage, so that could bring a 6-year sentence down to 4. If he's a good boy, he'll get out halfway through, so that 4 years could mean he's out after 2 years, and any time remanded in custody counts.

Which would be a fucking disgrace imo and I would support any campaign for challenging it and trying to get a stiffer sentence. And I'm not usually one of those calling for stiffer sentences.

If the judge hates womanisers and thinks that police officers who break the law are especially culpable, I suppose 8 years is possible, but I'd be surprised if it went into double figures. Judges don't like to risk their sentences being appealed and a 10-stretch for a "loss of control" manslaughter would surely be on the steep side.

Still, coppers aren't popular in prison. He may get a really hard time and end up on the nonces wing for his own protection. We can only hope.

The affair aspect is interesting from a cultural perspective on morality.

There was a time when that sort of thing would actually count against someone's good character. A judge would not consider you a good guy. In fact there were any number of jobs where you could be reprimanded or fired.

We've chosen, as a society, to get away from that, to make those things private. And I think we can see why, if we look at how those kinds of things played out in the past. At the same time though, it means that this guy, or someone like him, having a long term affair isn't seen as all that relevant to his good name. And I think to some extent that sense is transmitted to the public perception.

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He didn’t run a loss of control defence as far as I can see from the media reports. He very specifically stated in his reported evidence that he had no intent. My understanding is that loss of control is a partial defence to murder reducing it to voluntary manslaughter, but he’d have had to admit intent to run that defence in the first place, plus get over the hurdle of the jury agreeing it was a reasonable reaction under the circumstances. So I assume he has been convicted of involuntary manslaughter where no intent to cause serious harm or to kill was made out beyond reasonable doubt?