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To think you don’t “accidentally” strangle someone to death?

259 replies

DrizzleandDamp · 27/10/2020 14:00

I give up, no murder conviction for this man:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8884251/Police-officer-41-not-guilty-murdering-wife.html

There is no point me pursuing my case when these are the decisions made!

OP posts:

NeedToKnow101 · 27/10/2020 20:21

[quote 40PlusTTC]@Lollyneenah he did not call the ambulance. He claimed he did not realise she was “poorly”. He says he left the car apparently thinking she was fine, stabbed himself to make it look like her fault (make what look like her fault if she was so fine???) then was discovered by passers-by who called an ambulance for him. He didn’t even alert them to the fact she might need help too.[/quote]

Exactly! Why would he have deliberately stabbed himself if he hadn't known how seriously he had injured her. And he was just going to leave her there, dying. Bastard.

Prufrocks · 27/10/2020 20:25

@mysteryfairy

He didn’t run a loss of control defence as far as I can see from the media reports. He very specifically stated in his reported evidence that he had no intent. My understanding is that loss of control is a partial defence to murder reducing it to voluntary manslaughter, but he’d have had to admit intent to run that defence in the first place, plus get over the hurdle of the jury agreeing it was a reasonable reaction under the circumstances. So I assume he has been convicted of involuntary manslaughter where no intent to cause serious harm or to kill was made out beyond reasonable doubt?

I saw it reported here... earlier today and I forget where. Will see if I can find it reported elsewhere.

To think you don’t “accidentally” strangle someone to death?

Rollmopsrule · 27/10/2020 20:26

Out in 2 years! That would be an absolute disgrace. I really hope he gets the longest term available to the judge. That poor woman he killed and her family as well as the suffering he's bought on his own.

Clymene · 27/10/2020 20:34

You can't accidentally kill someone by strangling them.

He's a liar and the British justice system is a disgrace

Lollyneenah · 27/10/2020 20:43

Oh wow. I assumed the policeman in him had realised that calling the ambulance service could save his arse from a more serious sentence.

The man is a cunt and I hope he is treated exactly the way a police man in prison should be. Its gonna be a rough ride for him.

Lollyneenah · 27/10/2020 20:45

We really are disposable though to these people. I have had my own problem with police and domestic violence in my own court case. Most were fabulous but one in particular tried to recommend I dropped the charges because there was 'plenty more fish in the sea'and my ex would move on to the next woman sooner or later

Lollyneenah · 27/10/2020 20:47

I have no doubt in my mind that my ex will accidentally kill the next woman hes with. He 'accidentally'kicked my door in, 'accidentally' stamped on my hand til I dropped my phone and 'accidentally'smashed my phone and two of my fingers.

Lollyneenah · 27/10/2020 20:49

I just want to be clear I wasnt sticking up for the murderer is all.

Watermelon999 · 27/10/2020 20:51

He sounds like a total coward and was basically looking to save himself.

I remember another police officer strangled his wife recently too. I think he was convicted of murder though.

What is it with these blokes that can’t control their temper? It feels like it’s happening more and more often. You must have to use some force to kill someone. I don’t believe for one moment it was accidental.

Unsure33 · 27/10/2020 21:09

He obviously is an acomplished liar to maintain the affair for so long so i am sure the jury would have taken that into account .

And there must have been some forensic evidence which showed what happened .

PercyKirke · 27/10/2020 21:34

Were you in court? Did you hear ALL the evidence or did you just read what the paper chose to give you? YABU.

Thewithesarehere · 27/10/2020 21:44

This case is such a disaster. Of all people, a police officer must know how powerful he is against a woman. Of all people, a police officer got out so lightly because he was a police officer.
What a shame

AGoatAteIt · 27/10/2020 22:27

The details reported about this case remind me of when my abusive ex would tell me repeatedly that he could kill me and get away with it. He’d even tell me exactly how it would play out. It’s quite similar to the explanation this utter monster gave for how this poor woman died. I have always absolutely believed my ex was capable of it and that he’d basically get away with murder. When I read about cases like this it just reaffirms that belief.

TatianaBis · 27/10/2020 22:40

Re the loss of control factor - it’s effectively the nagging and shagging defence in another guise.

He ‘snapped’ because he should have been the one to tell his wife. Well he’s had years! Surprising no-one else told her.

longwayoff · 27/10/2020 22:56

He's being sentenced tomorrow. I hope the judge hasn't also been seduced by his codswallop. Disgusting. I'm surprised he didn't try the 'sex game gone wrong ' defence. Womens lives are worthless when served by 'justice' like this.

seayork2020 · 27/10/2020 23:21

I presume people are basing their views on the actual evidence and court case and not just a newspaper?

(and not I am not defending him! you can be an appalling waste of space but I find getting facts right first makes more sense then relying on the media)

safariboot · 27/10/2020 23:33

An absolute cock and bull story he told and I can't believe the jury swallowed it.

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 27/10/2020 23:36

What in hell was going on in that police force? It sounds like they were in and out of each others beds all the time. Is this what they're doing all the time instead of solving crimes? And as for this man: his arm "must have slipped up around her neck"?

Women can now be freely murdered in this country.

Smellbellina · 27/10/2020 23:38

You can easily cause more injury then you ‘intend’ if you place something around another persons neck, that’s why it’s included on police DV checklists and why I left my exP, I don’t think he would ever have intended to kill me but as he chose to place his hands around my neck when angry it was too risky.
He has been convicted of killing her but they haven’t proved the intention beyond doubt. I’m not suprised TBH.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 28/10/2020 03:16

@Smellbellina

You can easily cause more injury then you ‘intend’ if you place something around another persons neck, that’s why it’s included on police DV checklists and why I left my exP, I don’t think he would ever have intended to kill me but as he chose to place his hands around my neck when angry it was too risky. He has been convicted of killing her but they haven’t proved the intention beyond doubt. I’m not suprised TBH.

And he is a police officer so he absolutely knew how dangerous it is to put your hands round someone's neck.

Plus he denied doing that. He claimed his arm slipped and so he accidentally killed her. Like you do.

Mintjulia · 28/10/2020 03:35

None of us were at the trial so haven't seen any of the evidence. And he must have convinced 12 total strangers that it was an accident.

Personally I can't see how he could have strangled a full-grown healthy woman by accident. She didn't look frail to me.

Can it will be referred back to the court as too lenient?

Goosefoot · 28/10/2020 03:40

@Mintjulia

None of us were at the trial so haven't seen any of the evidence. And he must have convinced 12 total strangers that it was an accident.

Personally I can't see how he could have strangled a full-grown healthy woman by accident. She didn't look frail to me.

Can it will be referred back to the court as too lenient?

He doesn't have to convince them it was an accident. Only that it was possible it was an accident.

It's a system designed to sacrifice punishing the guilty in order to prevent punishing the innocent.

Onceuponatimethen · 28/10/2020 06:34

He doesn’t have to convince them of anything. The burden of proof is always on the prosecution and they had to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he had the required intention

Onceuponatimethen · 28/10/2020 06:35

What I find very confusing in cases like this is that I assume juries are usually 50:50ish on gender given the law of averages, so we aren’t talking about decisions made by men.

So it’s women we also need to reach if we want societal change on issues like this?

HintOfVintagePink · 28/10/2020 06:51

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