AIBU to think I'd rather take my chances with the virus...

[User3billion]

...than give up any more freedom?!

I'm in a tier 3 area and I'm so done. I'm sick of people in tier 1 areas preaching on social media about what we should and shouldn't be doing (especially given it can vary from one tier 3 area to the next). I'm sick of feeling like a prisoner in my own home. I'm sick of not being able to trust a single thing our government says.

I don't understand how we've got to a point in the UK, in 2020, where it's ILLEGAL to visit family we don't live with. And what's worse is that people are happy to go along with this! It's all kinds of wrong.

We deride other countries that deprive their citizens of their civil liberties and yet here we are.

@08689326gno

Services already HAVE shut down. A good friend has been diagnosed with stage 3 cancer recently - he’s had symptoms for months but couldn’t get a scan because of covid. What the fucking point of bleating “Oh, the NHS will shut down if we don’t stay home!” when it’s fucking useless anyway because of the lockdown? Either way, the NHS isn’t working for anything except covid cases.

Tell my friend and his wife and children that we’re saving the NHS. FFS.

@08689326gno

Care home workers have weekly/daily tests if needed to ensure safety.

Up until now, that hasn't worked. It might if the faster tests come through.

They're not the only vulnerable group either.

Your ideas are woefully inadequate and indicate how little you actually care about this issue.

It's not 'beyond the will of mankind' but given that test and trace has not been successfully achieved, I think any argument that something can't be done competently at pace in the UK is very plausible.

This is not theoretical. This would actually have to work. Not just on your soap box but in practice, next week.

@08689326gno

That idea was back-of-the-fag-packet stuff I came up with in about 30 seconds.

You don't really expect me to compile a full plan here on Mumsnet, do you?

I believe it can be done; more difficult things have been accomplished in the past.

What pisses me off is that we can literally do anything EXCEPT see our family. Priorities are so fucked up. Wanna go potter around a shopping centre and eat out for breakfast lunch and dinner? Sure, have fun!
Wanna see your mum on her birthday? Are you trying to kill everyone?!

It"s not about you.

Its 48 U / 52 NU as I post... familiar numbers! Suggests both sides have valid points.

I am sick of this too. I can count the number of hugs I've had since March on one hand. I think it's obvious that we cannot go on much longer this way... everyone is suffering and it's not clear that current measures are going to help enough.

Our parents and grandparents lived with the threat of TB - a horrible illness that killed many. I wonder if we will have to get to a point where we accept CV as a risk of life until we get a vaccine/cure/it dies out. Not great, but really how lucky have we been to live so long in relative safety. Maybe we need to start developing a different philosophy of life.

I am poleaxed by the way in which people have switched their brains off and have subscribed to the propaganda about Covid.

What do you think will happen if everyone just goes back to normal? Do you really not understand that millions of people will be sick at the same time, many of them being economically inactive for at least a fortnight, and somewhere in the region of 10% of them being ill enough to need hospital treatment? How many of those people do you think will receive treatment, and how many do you think will be left to suffer and perhaps die?

When the NHS is overrun with people with Covid, and a large % of the staff are absent, how will anyone get any of the other healthcare that they need?

The only way he got seen and diagnosed was by pitching up to A&E - they operated on him right away. His GP even called to apologise. It’s disgusting that people keep blithering on as though the NHS is working fine because of lockdown. It’s fucked.

@everythingisginandroses That’s one thing we agree on, yes there are many petulant toddlers on here.
As said by a previous poster, go and have a look at the NHS thread. If following restrictions makes me a goody two shoes so be it. I don’t care.

Our parents and grandparents lived with the threat of TB - a horrible illness that killed many. I wonder if we will have to get to a point where we accept CV as a risk of life until we get a vaccine/cure/it dies out. Not great, but really how lucky have we been to live so long in relative safety. Maybe we need to start developing a different philosophy of life. I don't think I knew anyone with TB but I do remember kids at school with calipers because of polio and I do remember small pox outbreaks, they were sort of frightening but you did just get on with things. I think 24 hr news channels and the internet makes a huge difference.

[quote Rainbowllama4]@Halliehallie9828 😂 goody two shoes?? No, I’m just not a selfish inconsiderate person.
My great grandmother had a saying, ‘don’t care was made to care’ it never made much sense when I was a child. It now makes perfect sense, let’s hope you and others who think like you aren’t made to care.[/quote]
👍🏻

Well I’m on month 7 of continuous hard lockdown (4 extra weeks of lesser lockdown in July, still no school or retail open). Even online shopping (bar groceries) has major delays here. A parcel I ordered in August just turned up yesterday!

It works. It’s doable. It’s hard, but unless you’ve lost your income or/and are having to home-school a handful of kids you really can buckle down to it. Even see some bright-sides?

I promise it isn’t the end of the world. It’s not done to personally inconvenience you, it’s science-backed and crucial. There’s a difference between being grumpy about it (entirely rational) and deciding you should have had special dispensations cos you’re so important. That’s what I’m seeing a lot on this thread.

It seems faintly ridiculous compared to where I live, where mostly everyone is getting on with life as best they can, knowing it’s not about them, and not forever. And that’s after 200+ odd days of hard lockdown.

@etopp

At what point do you imagine we won't be in this cycle of lockdowns, then

I don't know, I can't see into the future. OP was questioning proof, and I was stating it.

What does 'typing into thin air' mean?

Peoples' lives are ruined by strokes, brain tumours, heart attacks, serious depressions, pnd, their childrens mental health, and health problems, cancer treatments, ongoing, thyroid problems, COPD, diabetes, eating disorders, bereavement.

Do none of these have any parity with the effects of developing long covid, and the economic and mental strain of THAT? Or people dying of covid.?

Why are you suffering more if the virus strikes than any of these other life changing problems that have affected so many people I know??!

Answer me that? If I said that cancer sufferers needed the entire economy rejigged to diagnose, prophalytically protect)diet lifestyle, income, would people really pull behind that lifesaving crusade? They would do their best but possibly it is because cancer isnt a BLAME game like Covid.

We blame the actions of others for covid. Why should that be?

My neighbours little girl died of leukaemia, it wasnt picked up early enough. She works for wider recognition of stmptoms, better treatment. Someone else had a terrible experience with mistreated infantile.spasms in their child. Why is long covid any different, why should we blame.others for our personal suffering?

@NaughtipussMaximus

The only way he got seen and diagnosed was by pitching up to A&E - they operated on him right away. His GP even called to apologise. It’s disgusting that people keep blithering on as though the NHS is working fine because of lockdown. It’s fucked.

Oh yes, it’s fucked. Why on earth do you imagine it won’t get any worse if Covid cases continue to increase.

@WiseUpJanetWeiss

I am poleaxed by the way in which people have switched their brains off and have subscribed to the propaganda about Covid.

What do you think will happen if everyone just goes back to normal? Do you really not understand that millions of people will be sick at the same time, many of them being economically inactive for at least a fortnight, and somewhere in the region of 10% of them being ill enough to need hospital treatment? How many of those people do you think will receive treatment, and how many do you think will be left to suffer and perhaps die?

When the NHS is overrun with people with Covid, and a large % of the staff are absent, how will anyone get any of the other healthcare that they need?

@WiseUpJanetWeiss

The restrictions are fucking useless and have little impact on the spread. Do you really think some disposable masks and 10pm curfews have a serious effect?

If we went back to normal I doubt it would make much difference to the case numbers.

Long Covid is more than post viral fatigue - which nobody would want because it can be debilitating (and not good for the economy with significant numbers of the workforce and consumers affected).

There's now known to be several different types of Long Covid. That's just what we know in these early days. Who knows what hidden damage might come to light in the future.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/04/long-covid-the-evidence-of-lingering-heart-damage

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-long-covid-warning-as-study-finds-one-in-20-have-virus-symptoms-for-eight-weeks-or-more-12109990

I can sympathise with you. I'm in Greater Manchester and we have had restrictions on us meaning we can't meet family indoors on in private gardens since July. We never really came out of lockdown. Couple of weeks ago I cracked. I can't do this anymore. I drove to my sister and sat in her house at the opposite end of her lounge for an hour. It did me the world of good.

I don’t understand the argument that if we only start ignoring Covid, the NHS can turn its attention to other illnesses. It’s only if we flatten the curve that the NHS will be able to treat anything but Covid.

@NaughtipussMaximus so sorry to hear about your friend.

My dad has Leukaemia - diagnosed during lockdown but only because my mum kicked up one hell of a fuss - they kept telling him not to attend surgery as it could be covid.

Incidentally, he knows my views, and his aren't dissimilar. He wants to see his kids & grandkids!

@Nettleskeins

We blame the actions of others for covid. Why should that be

Because, unlike any of the other illnesses you mentioned, it's contagious. It's not rocket science.

@Rainbowllama4 - I took a look at the NHS thread early on, it was heartbreaking. I was an early adopter of covid, it was a rather unpleasant and threatening illness and it has taken months to feel better. I'm 44 and in good health, so I totally understand how this virus can rip through the vulnerable. Even if I hadn't been ill, I would do my best to keep myself to myself and protect others as best I can. If others want to roll the dice, nothing I can do about that

What happens @Nettleskeins is that nobody gets any treatment for anything because the hospital beds are full (and too dangerous for non Covid patients due to asymptomatic Covid patients and staff).

Yes the risks of Long Covid affect us all.
How do you think people get treatment for anything else when loads of the healthcare staff are off sick - many long-term?

@divafever99

I can sympathise with you. I'm in Greater Manchester and we have had restrictions on us meaning we can't meet family indoors on in private gardens since July. We never really came out of lockdown. Couple of weeks ago I cracked. I can't do this anymore. I drove to my sister and sat in her house at the opposite end of her lounge for an hour. It did me the world of good.

@divafever99

Jesus titty-fucking Christ...life is short! Go see your sister and give her a hug next time instead of sitting at the other end of the lounge!

But people arent getting the healthcare they need, because of the restrictions. That is the whole point. They arent going out, they are not socialising, they arent in some cases walking around, swimming (my.mother with diabetes just sits at home) because of the restrictions.

We are only human, and.if you put some humans in v stressful unnatural situations, they.develop health problems. X 10.

[quote Eckhart]@Nettleskeins

We blame the actions of others for covid. Why should that be

Because, unlike any of the other illnesses you mentioned, it's contagious. It's not rocket science.[/quote]
@Eckhart

If I give someone Covid and they die, should I be charged with manslaughter?