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To think children are no longer allowed to live their own lives?

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gussy123 · 25/10/2020 19:42

The ‘what was wrong with the 70s’ thread made me think of this:

I grew up on a council estate in the early 2000s, and I see a lot of what posters were saying about their 70s childhoods in mine. It was basically get out the house, don’t come back until tea— not that anyone would’ve dreamt of doing anything different. On Saturday morning we had to walk into town to do a big shop with our mums, on Sunday some of our grandmas took us to church. Sometimes we were sent out to town to buy things that were needed then and there. Meals, holidays (if we got one), clothes, etc. were dictated by parents and we just got on with it.

I have a significantly younger sister, and the change in lifestyle is astounding. Everything is based around what she’s doing (clubs and things), her friends are only allowed to play in each other’s houses and gardens, just about everything she and her friends do closely supervised— not one of her or her friends is allowed to walk to school (~10 minute walk) alone.

I think children seem to be treated like a separate species! Something that needs to be coddled and made happy at every moment. I know that from about 6/7 onwards I could not wait to get out and do whatever I liked with my friends. Also, crime has consistently gone down if anything, so why are we more and more scared of letting children out alone? It makes so little sense.

I’m not suggesting we start locking kids out from 8 til 8 every weekend, or to make their lives miserable, but I feel as if they don’t get a minute to be completely free and just live!

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Piwlyfbicsly · 25/10/2020 22:56

I think about it often. I know my 8 years old child is ready and responsible enough to stay home for half an hour while I shop, but I won't do that for the fear of being blamed and reported. There is no way he can have any kind of freedom. Not at all. I struggle to understand, how he will transition into being more independent when he's not allowed to go to school alone or come back from school 3 minutes away. If I did allow that, I would be the only parent who does that. I was born in mid 80s. By 8 I could come back home and make me lunch and wait for my parents to come back from work. They didn't need to pay all their wages to nannies. I wish my children are safe, of course I do. But I am concerned about their safety after 12 years old when they will be expected to suddenly grow older.

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TableFlowerss · 25/10/2020 22:56

How old are you OP, if you’re childhood was lived in 2000+ are you 25 at the most?

How do you figure crime has gone down? Not sure about that 🤔 I was an eighties child and 6 year olds roaming about wasn’t a thing....

I would say kids of the 80’s and at latest 90’s were the the last generation where it was like the ‘olden days’ and completely different to the generations after- including the ‘noughties’ I’m afraid.

I would say anyone under the age of 30 can’t really comprehend what life was like without internet, mobile phones etc...

I got my first mobile at 21 😳 and I’m 40 now. So by 2000 they were becoming normal and mainstream.

We used to play out all day as you DSS I’ve because there was nothing else to do. These days it’s so different and I agree that the childhoods aren’t the same.

Again though, I think 80’s (90’s at the latest) kids, were the last true generation to be so far removed from the society/childhoods we see today. iPads, hobbies etc... it was a case if there’s your bike off you go

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Piwlyfbicsly · 25/10/2020 22:57

"Teens who just go to school and try hard won't be successful in life unless they've played sports and learnt instruments and studied languages and volunteered."

What? Such a weird thing to say. It is not like this...at all.

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Mischance · 25/10/2020 23:01

Traffic is a big factor. When I was little my parents did indeed set me free in the morning and I would come home when I was hungry. And I used to bike for miles. But there were virtually no cars on my road and the surrounding streets and I could bike safely for miles.

There were weirdos about - we just ignored the local willy-waver.

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corythatwas · 25/10/2020 23:02

Agree with TableFlowers. I've been a MNer since the 2000s and haven't really seen any difference in that time as to what parents think children should be allowed. And there were just as many threads then on how children don't have any freedom these days.

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gluteustothemaximus · 25/10/2020 23:05

Yeah, those good ol' days.

It's because of those good ol' days, and the things I saw, and the things I experienced, and had no choice experiencing, that I am more careful with my kids.

That doesn't mean wrapping them up in cotton wool. But I would like to keep them alive, and away from sexual predators/dangerous situations.

Free range childhood my arse. Fucked up more like. But I am pretty street wise now, so that's good Hmm

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Toontown · 25/10/2020 23:16

There has to be a happy medium of kids having no freedom or time without adults until they are teenagers and have few-life skills to being outside feral from past toddledom.
Yes shit can happy on their own but nowadays I just likely to be targeted from their computers. I'm far more worried about the flaccid or fat kids who do little more than go between classes they driven too then looking at the screen with every minute of their day supervised. Yes shit happens but life is full of risks and to life a risk free life is not living.

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Time2change2 · 25/10/2020 23:17

Because of traffic. Much much more traffic.
Busy lives, people in a rush all the time, driving fast down residential roads. Faster bigger cars, harder to see around when parked bumper to bumper.
Little community. Don’t know many neighbours. Women are no longer at home all day, looking out of the window or being around when kids pop in and out.
Parents in general have far More disposable income to spend on clubs, hobbies, days out. There are many many more things for kids to do.
So many places to take them.
In the 70’s and 80’s it was a family walk / beach in summer or stay at home really for most people unless it was a very special occasion or holiday!?
Now there are umpteen places and play areas, visitor attractions for kids and families and people can afford them!
Rather than just let your kid out to roam around you can take them somewhere and enjoy them!
I don’t want my kids going off all day! We love seeing them grow up and spending as much time as possible giving them a while range of experiences before they no longer show any interest in being with us.
My eldest is a preteen and she does meet friends locally sometimes, just at the local small park or green. I have a tracking app (shock horror!!) which she is in complete agreement with and actually she likes to see where I am on occasion too if I am picking her up or similar.
The world has completely changed in the last 40 years since the 80’s
Everything about how are consumer / work / entertainment habits are set up has shifted so much that you can’t really compare

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overnightangel · 25/10/2020 23:17

“ There was a reason they had those awful Public Information films in the 70s showing the dangers of children playing in different places eg farms, railway lines, the road. I do think some people look back with rose coloured glasses.”

The reason we don’t have those films anymore is cos kids don’t play out anymore .
It’s sad
No wonder we have childhood obesity

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Time2change2 · 25/10/2020 23:20

@overnightangel

“ There was a reason they had those awful Public Information films in the 70s showing the dangers of children playing in different places eg farms, railway lines, the road. I do think some people look back with rose coloured glasses.”

The reason we don’t have those films anymore is cos kids don’t play out anymore .
It’s sad
No wonder we have childhood obesity

That’s little to do with playing out and far more to do with a completely crap diet so many parents eat and feed their kids. 65% of adults are obese or overweight. Of course this is going to filter to the kids! Back in the good old days, were 65% of parents fat? No. It’s food. Not lack of excercise.
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goldfinchfan · 25/10/2020 23:21

It often seems that many young people have less resilience now.

Plus the expectation of Life being fitted around Their needs and it can't that way.

I don't think kids raised indoors with all the adults making sure they are happy all the time is best but it is defintielt harder now to bring up kids unless you have a house and garden for them to play in.

My GDC grew up in a city and were never allowed out to play fear of crime mostly,
Now they live in a small town and have limited freedom they are much happier.

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womnat · 25/10/2020 23:22

I get the fear around stranger danger but what I dislike is the want constantly supervise when dc are playing in the home or filling their days/weekends with so many activities that they don't relax or get bored.

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womnat · 25/10/2020 23:24

There is an increasing issue with lack of resilience & wellbeing in children so I obviously we are going wrong somewhere.

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chickenyhead · 25/10/2020 23:25

Gosh, I forgot about all the things @Pikachubaby mentioned:


We also used to play chicken, running across the road at the last second

We would wind up the dogs at the end of the alley and get them to chase us (I was bitten twice, never could run).

We also prank- called random numbers from the phone books in telephone boxes, (and 999 unfortunately)

We would also repeatedly ring people’s doorbells and run away, including elderly people

We stole sweets from the shops

We played in the river graveny from about 5yo, a concrete walled deep sided river which was quite fast flowing.

Everyone went to the crazy cat ladies house, despite parents saying not to, or maybe because.

We went in everyones houses all of the time.

I cannot really imagine these things for my kids. It would horrify me.

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theviewfromhalfwaydown · 25/10/2020 23:28

I live on a council estate in the south east and kids go out to play all the time. Some days I only see my lot when they are hungry. I sometimes feel like we are living in a different time to everywhere else. People here don’t have the money for clubs etc so I think that makes a difference. Plus the estate is a quiet one so not too many cars zooming around. Children here are allowed to walk to school from the age of 10 before that the school requires them to be accompanied by an adult.

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womnat · 25/10/2020 23:28

My kids don't go out because of the wanna be gangsta teenagers all running round with guns and knifes all

Obviously this is horrific but how do you do protect them from this when they are 16 or 18?

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womnat · 25/10/2020 23:30

Most child abuse happens by someone known to the child in the same way most murders are by a family member. Have rates reduced?

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chickenyhead · 25/10/2020 23:34

Most REPORTED abuse, yes

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Shaniac · 25/10/2020 23:39

I am so sick of reading nonsense on SM re how life was better in 'my day'.
I grew up in the 70s.
We were definitely free range (feral).
We played chicken on the main London to Glasgow train line. I lost a friend this way, electrocuted.


This! I dont like to discuss it much but i was abducted as a child, so although i have fond memories of having fun in the fresh air with my friends there was a lot of dark sides to it. I would never be comfortable if i heard a child living how we lived as kids. Even my parents cringe now at how different life was back then. My poor mother. I remember my 2 brothers going missing as children as well they were gone for about an hour and when we found them by the local shop they told us a strange man had been intimidating them. They were 7 at the time.

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womnat · 25/10/2020 23:39

Also when you look at CSE much of that is instigated online, while children on their phones and tablets in their seeming safe home/bedroom with their parents close by.

I think I read lockdown & Covid has caused a spike as kids are more online.

It's comforting though to think you can protect your dc & that if you stop them playing out they will be safe. I'm guilty of it too.

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bananaskinsnomnom · 25/10/2020 23:39

So much of what everyone is saying on this thread also varies significantly by area. I don’t see the children out playing around here but did during lockdown - likely due to the lack of traffic!

I’m finding this thread really interesting.

I was a 90’s child - primary school across the 90’s, started secondary school in 1999.
I remember even at infant school, the teacher would just open the classroom door at the end of the day and we would all run out. My mum waited outside the school gate! No checking who was collecting. I understand and support that changing now! I do think walking to school alone can be a good thing but obviously dependent on child and area. Some areas have masses of kids going to school so much less chance of danger. Location plays a role.
I used to just go “out with my friends, but not until I think year 5, so about 9/10. Before that, I could go to a friends house yes and would sometimes walk myself and be picked up. I lived on an estate but not a council estate, me and my friends all lived about a 3 minute walk from each other.
Once I was just allowed out to play, no phone, I had physical road boundaries (or essentially between one friends house and another) and we stuck to them, played on the green or in a cul de sac. We certainly didn’t play on the railway or with fireworks like a previous poster! I’m not really sure what we did! Sometimes there was a ball, sometimes we were on bikes....I think we just chilled! Definitely wasn’t dawn till dusk, I always had a fixed time to be home and initially I used to have to present myself back at home every hour or so.
I was allowed in my friends houses and certainly taught not to go into a strangers house - I suppose it toughened me up a bit because we certainly came across children who were either older or just a lot more rebellious so temptation was definitely there. I agree that there generally just used to be more eyes everywhere. I probably knew people very 5 or so houses along.

By secondary school, year 7 I would just go “out” but obviously this is when it started to get more interesting and I think everyone knows what unsupervised preteens can get up to. I tbh was lame - my biggest rule breaking was going further than I was meant to. I had to text my parents my location periodically, and certainly if I went tinto houses. Tbh this freedom allowed me to decide who I wanted to hang out with, but as we went into year 8 just “going out” seemed to stop anyway (in my group and this was when it was clamped by my dad- he wanted to know exactly where I was. I don’t blame him or any parent for thinking this. I still went to town etc with friends but it stopped being a case of just going out straight after school to the park.

I was taught to be street wise though by my dad and I’ll do the same with any child I have - so for example in the summer term of Year 6, knowing that I would be getting the bus to school, he took me out to show me the bus time table, how it worked, and took me on a bus ride to town. The next day, I had to do it alone, he gave me some stuff to buy, and told me when to be back. He and a couple of friends parents started letting us go to town for a Mac Donald’s and straight back again on the bus to get us street savvy. I don’t think this was a bad idea. From Year 7 I had a door key and was home alone in the morning and after school for an hour either side.

I definitely think I’ll be more strict in terms of just letting any child of mine just go “out” - I hope I’m not too overprotective though! Time will tell!

One thing I do think has changed in the “freedom to play” aspect is more along the lines of allowing a child to get bored and giving them a chance to make their own fun. Maybe I’m wrong, one thing I do notice these days is the constant need for entertainment among many children.
I use my time in nurseries as an example. A common issue was one parent dropping off and the other collecting. Frequently, the dropper off would hand me an iPad. This is the iPad their child “needs” for the journey home so can I pass it to collecting parent. None of our children lived more than a ten minute drive away but many of them had to have iPad or such accessible for the journey. This is the kind of change I mean - Most of us grew up having to occupy ourselves in the car by staring out the window or talking - no “on demand” entertainment available. Waiting for food in restaurants - similar. Or just time - less time at home to due to so many clubs/ activities / day trips - this is what I think has changed. How many times do I remember saying “I’m bored!” At home as a child and being told to make my own fun - even a lot of children’s toys now have squashed the chance to be creative - Lego is all sets with instructions to make the perfect model - it was once just a load of blocks!

It’s really fascinating to compare the good and the bad aspects of how we all grew up and how times have changed. And how every generation gets their chance to say “In my day.....””We never did that when we were kids.....””Kids today just have no idea....” And i already know as a parent that I’ll likely cave into the screens!

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womnat · 25/10/2020 23:47

I grew up in a rough part of London but was allowed to play with neighbours on the road. Also took the bus, train & tube alone from maybe 12. Did partake in underage clubbing & night buses at 16.
I was very sensible though & one thing I never touched was drugs as that was the quickest route to trouble. Then I got to uni & everyone was taking drugs, that was an eye opener!

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womnat · 25/10/2020 23:51

My parents are also immigrants & my dad used to walk to school alone at 6 My mum left school at 14 & came to Europe alone at 16. I could never imagine doing that.

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chickenyhead · 26/10/2020 00:00

I would never have reported the man who paid me, 5 and my nephew 3, 20p (2 mars bars back then) to show and touch each other.

Or the perverts who put their hands in your knickers when you were playing out.

My parents would have blamed me. Categorically.

Those types of abuse were just part of being a kid back then. All my friends had similar stories.

I like to hope that my kids wouldn't expect that and would know that it was wrong.

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SonjaMorgan · 26/10/2020 00:01

I was one of those children who were sent out all day everyday as my mother couldn't stand the mess and the noise. I was groomed and raped as a teenager. I have tried to do things very differently with my DC based on my own experiences.

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