That clocks should not go back in winter

[nosswith]

This weekend the clocks go back. Something I object to and would like to see end, at least in England.

Three arguments for doing so used to be made

• dark mornings in Scotland- fair point, now there is a Scottish Parliament and they can decide, there are enough places with two time zones.
• Farming- less people affected now with more mechanisation
• Guy Fawkes Night- I cannot see how one day a year starting with the few celebrations a bit later is an issue.

Since mines, shipyards and factories closed, fewer people start work early, whereas longer retail hours mean more working in the evening. If wfh at least some of the week continues post Covid 19, the numbers going out in the dark mornings will be fewer than before.

AIBU?

Every year i hate the winter more.

Bloody dark and dingy and grey and damp and depressing. And muddy (rural) Blinking muddy foot prints. And having to pile on clothes and boots every time you want to go out the door and having them all over the bloody place when people come back in. With their mud.

The cold plays havoc with my sinuses and my skin gets pasty looking. Taking DD to swimming after school with a fuck ton of clothes to get off and on again so she doesn't freeze. Driving there and back in the dark and the wind and the rain!! I mean who wants to do that?

We're doing our own (muddy) building work on the house and the winter means that huge amounts of time is lost because it's too cold, wet, dark or all bloody three to get stuff done.

Loads gets done in the summer. Sit down after dinner and then crack on in the lovely light till 8/9 in the evening and sit down again till bed. Winter? Fucking 4 o'clock curfew. And did i mention mud? :(

sigh.

Just realised that had no real relevance to the OP but never mind. I needed to get it off my chest :)

ITS NOT JUST SCOTLAND!

seriously people can't think things through. How the hell can 2 time zones work when parts of England are further north than parts of Scotland!

Do any of you down south ever look at a map? The border is not a horizontal line!

The EU are in the process of removing this law. Apparently 2021 may be the last year to adjust the time for daylight

Not to piss on your bonfire or anything but time zones rarely have much to do with North/South. They're an East/West thing.

YANBU 100% Agree. As would my farmer parents.

@notimagain

*To those of you saying scotland can have its own timezone..

Do you really think thats practical given the amount of traffic that crosses the border every single hour of every single day*

Not saying putting Scotland/England being in separate time zones is the best idea in the World but around the world plenty of people cope with daily commutes across time zones when crossing internal borders (e.g. USA , Oz, plenty of others)..

I'm sure the Brits could cope.....

There's not a straight line across though is there? With Scotland above it and England below?

Also isn't there an East / West issue also?

@murmurgam

I hate the clocks going back. I have SAD

SAD is related to length of daylight hours, clocks going back makes sod all difference!

Well seeing as you aren’t me, and aren't a doctor at the sleep clinic I attend, I don’t see how you can tell. The nights drawing in and SAD give me advanced sleep issues. So yes, it does make a difference. 🙄

I lived through the 1968 - 71 experiment when the UK's clocks did not change. I preferred it. I liked coming home when it was light and there was still to do things in that light. Yes, one went to work in the dark, but on balance I preferred it; and there was a noticeable reduction in road casualities.

To be honest I can't get worked up about it either way. I mean my favourite night if the year is clocks going back and gaining an hour's sleep but aside from that I can really see how much difference it makes to anyone.

I mean, you've literally missed the MAIN point, which is children otherwise having to walk to school in dark in the middle of winter. That's why it was actually, originally changed.

I too would happily see an end to it. I suffer with SAD and when the clocks change and it gets darker, so does my mood - but I wouldn't want kids to have to walk to school unsafely so I can see why it does still happen.

@Willyoujustbequiet

ITS NOT JUST SCOTLAND!

seriously people can't think things through. How the hell can 2 time zones work when parts of England are further north than parts of Scotland!

Do any of you down south ever look at a map? The border is not a horizontal line!

Works in US They have different time zones in the same state. There Navajo reservations with Arizona have Daylight saving whereas Arizona doesn't

Well the evidence would suggest that it would make an appreciable difference in road casualties. During the first two years of the1968 - 71 experiment, there was a reduction of 2,700 in deaths/serious injuries in road casualties.

Permanent GMT would be a bonkers idea, we’d have summer daylight starting at 4am which benefits a population of about 60,000 dairy farmers and milkmen as opposed to the other 60 million of us who can use it at the other end of the day.

YAB massively U

It's the only thing to look forward when the bad weather and short days arrive. I love sleeping later.

I put up with summer time because at least we have nicer months and longer days to look forward to.

Long live winter/summer time.
And all the reasons from above too. I did have babies and toddlers when the clock change, obviously. Never been an issue with them either.

And the evidence we have (from a three year trial) that there would be a considerable reduction in road casualties ?

YABU

If anything, we should stay on year round GMT.

People go on about lighter evenings, as if by staying on BST we'd all be sitting outside sipping cocktails in the evening in November, but by the time the clocks go back, it's too cold to do anything outside.

Even with the clocks back it's not light until after 9am in December where I live.

@Beautiful3

The EU are in the process of removing this law. Apparently 2021 may be the last year to adjust the time for daylight

Good grief! Remainer her, but for the first time ever - I'm glad we've left so we won't have to do this.

I’m a night owl and I sleep much longer in the mornings when it’s dark outside, even with my black out curtains. Bliss.

So lots more people should die/be seriously injured so you can sleep in, in the mornings ?

Kids would be walking to school in the dark every morning for months without the clocks turning back. I wouldn't feel safe for my DD doing that nor for anybody else's children either. They would be more at risk of being hit by cars in the dark - especially secondary schools where there are so many kids on the pavements at a certain time of day you have to drive past on high alert even in the daylight - and stranger danger. No way would I be happy with my 11 year old walking the streets in the dark every morning to get the school.

@oldmotherriley

So lots more people should die/be seriously injured so you can sleep in, in the mornings ?

Did I say that? 😂

@oldmotherriley

So lots more people should die/be seriously injured so you can sleep in, in the mornings ?

You will have to clarify how going to school in the dark early morning is going to save life

But if you want to push that argument, mental health is important and has known effect on the rest of your health. You want people to get sick and worst because you can't be bothered to change your clock once a year?

We normally go on holiday abroad at least 3 times a year - it's only relevant because of the time difference. Not only it doesn't hurt my kids in the slightest, but we all benefit from it.

I love a longer night when the clocks go back, why wouldn't I.

A few of the reasons why I'd like to keep BST year round.

-Fewer road casualties as people as happened in the 3 years when we did this (though not as big a reduction as we have reduced road crashes and injuries/deaths since).
-Benefits to what winter tourism we have
-Morning peak would be spread out a bit
-A small reduction in energy use

BashfulClam "Spring Forward Fall back" is how I remember the dates!