Surgeon has refused to operate on litigious patient

[justasking111]

Long story, friends OH had hip op. all went wrong afterwards infection set in was in hospital three months on iv antibiotics, when home had antibiotics, further surgery needed. Fast forward a few months surgeon has refused to do a further op. because my friend an expert HR person had logged each call, e mail so thoroughly with the hospital admin. and surgeon challenging them when they bull shitted, that the result is he is on morphine which the surgeon will not prescribe will have to go to GP. Now patient is in his fifties not elderly with no prospect of any kind of care. He is going to die isn`t he.

My question is is it reasonable if you question the medical system is it ok to just be kicked to the curb.

AIBU he should be kicked to the kerb
YANBU he should get the op.

@MarriedtoDaveGrohl

No, he should not “come off all meds” unless advised to by the medical professionals, who know his history and current state of health, advise it. Simply coming off certain medications could be extremely dangerous for a patient.

@MarriedtoDaveGrohl - very dangerous 'advice'.

@lottiegarbanzo

purpledagger You forgot the classic 'take two paracetomol, get a good night's sleep and come back in two weeks if it's not better'.

Likewise solves a lot of employment issues too.

True.

@MrMeeseekscando

In my personal experience (resulting in the death of an otherwise healthy 30 year old man) HCPs close ranks and throw others under the bus. Surgeons do not appreciate being held to account. Your friend needs a new surgeon

This, with bells, whistles, and knobs on. In my similar experience the medical "profession" is the most sinister and abusive clique I've ever come across. The system is also designed to minimise their exposure to the consequences of their actions; complaints are repeatedly kicked into the long grass by NHS organisations. You can't even rely on the PHSO to hold them to account. There's the constant miasma of "NHS heroism" that gets in the way of a serious debate about the future of this turd of an institution.

Sadly, any party who actually grasps the nettle and attempts serious reform will be out of government for a decade thanks to the walking dead hordes of pan bangers who blindly love something they barely understand.

@MarriedtoDaveGrohl

For anyone getting an operation - infections and delayed wound healing happen when Someone smokes Drinks Drinks coffee Takes medication (particularly things like morphine or amphetamines for adhd). If you can die from an overdose it's toxic to a degree. Sleeping pills even 'harmless' meds out a load on your body. Doesn't eat the right food eg a ton of fruit, veges and lean protein.

It's amazing how much difference these things make. If your friend can get off the morphine he might heal. Currently he's a low level 'drug addict' and we all know what happens to their skin, teeth and overall health.

He needs to come off all meds, stuff fresh fruit and veg into him along with things like home made chicken soup and not touch a drop of alcohol or I hate to say it caffeine.

I would also take a very high dose vitamin c from a good brand. I use solgar to ward off colds (catch them before they start) often taking up to 5 grams a day (and not when I don't need it as your body stops using it). I've bought very expensive packet vitamin c and it was no different. Also very high quality FRESH fruit juice is at least very bioavailable in my experience (or world at stopping colds very fast).

Don't get me wrong I'm not a teetotal vegan health nut (sex drugs and rock n roll is more my thing) but if I was 57 and in this state? I'd do it. I had a would once that didn't heal - until I stopped everything. I also slathered it in Manuka honey. I didn't take the vitamin c and wished I had done early as well as stopping all meds much earlier. It was medication that caused the majority of the problem,

That's incredibly dangerous to advise coming off medication. Unless you are a doctor who knows the full medical history you cannot give that advice.

Doingitaloneandproud I agree that this is dangerous advice and I reported it to mn a couple of days ago, but they obviously think it's within the rules.

I have been slightly disturbed to read that infection is now considered a common risk post surgery. I was a student nurse for a time back in the very early 80s and worked on surgical wards. We were trained in aseptic technique for wound care and preventing wound infection was a matter of pride. It was accordingly a rare thing. Things have obviously changed.

@CounsellorTroi not a common complication, but a recognised one (1-2%) that he will have been consented for.

Betsi cadwalader by any chance OP? I'd go to the senedd with this one

He needs to come off all meds, stuff fresh fruit and veg into him along with things like home made chicken soup

Ah yes it’s very common to treat flesh eating bacteria and sepsis with homemade chicken soup..
We learn that first day of Med school.

Remember when that baby, Charlie I think, was in hospital and the parents were fighting to keep his life support on. The comments on the articles were full of "have they tried vitamin c".
I'm guessing MarriedtoDaveGrohl was one of those.

I should have said (thought it was obvious but reading back it's really not).. APART FROM HIS ANTIBIOTICS.

Taking morphine isn't making him healthy. I'm not a hippy - I've seen it first hand. It's why plastic surgeons won't operate on smokers. A lot of medication really takes a physical toll on your body and also uses up a lot of key nutrients. It's not something doctors get involved on and I don't blame them, but it's not an alternative view. I don't know what else he's on apart from his antibiotics and morphine but unless it's absolutely critical he should try and come off it. And some critical things aren't needed after lifestyle changes, for example some diabetes can be controlled by diet and lifestyle.

Not forever but for a couple of weeks depending on what it is to give his body more of a fighting chance. I hate to say it but at that age all your lifestyle chickens really do come home to roost.

@WhereverIGoddamnLike

Remember when that baby, Charlie I think, was in hospital and the parents were fighting to keep his life support on. The comments on the articles were full of "have they tried vitamin c". I'm guessing MarriedtoDaveGrohl was one of those.

No I fucking wasnt. What a fatuous comment. Where have I said I dont believe in medication or doctors? Ridiculous extrapolation.

It's why plastic surgeons won't operate on smokers

What an absolute load of ill-informed drivel.

Do you even know what a plastic surgeon is?

@JamieLeeCurtains

Actually, a lot of them will refuse to operate on smokers. Non essential surgeries on smokers are refused. At the very least, they ask them not to smoke for several weeks before it after.

@MarriedtoDaveGrohl
Your advice amounted to "he should come off all his medication and eat vegetables" whilst he his flesh is being eaten away by an infection. Forgive me if I dont think you're the sharpest tool in the box.

@WhereverIGoddamnLike, I'm not disagreeing with you on the delays to non-emergency work and the need for cutting down on addiction levels that impede vascular function; I'm disagreeing with the implication by the pp of a blanket ban, even in critical care situations.

You can think what you like wherever. It's of zero concern to me. I thought it was obvious that I meant medication not specifically used to treat that specific problem but it wasn't. Meh.

To use the correct umbrella term COSMETIC surgeons will not operate on smokers. Jamie Lee. It's actually common knowledge. It greatly impedes wound healing. I myself had an elective surgery wound not heal at all because of other medication I was taking. I stopped, it healed. If you think that medications like morphine have no effect on the bodies ability to fight infection or heal you are as stupid as your comment would suggest,

OP hasn't replied on this thread since Thursday and some of you are arguing and calling each other names? Unless you're a surgeon or work closely by one stop arguing and name calling fgs. Childish.

I'm not implying there be a blanket ban on operating on smokers. Or indeed anyone.

What I was trying to say (badly, clearly) is that as far as the OPs friend goes firstly infections happen, and there's no law suit here as far as I can see (with limited knowledge) but if he's got a massive wound that's not healing the cause can be something outside of what the hospital or surgeon did or didn't do - in other words if he's taking medication that impacts his physical health which many do he needs to try and stop it (apart from anything like antibiotics obvs). Anything 'toxic' like morphine particularly. And eat as much healthy fresh food as he can. Plus probably take vitamin C. It's hardly rocket science.

Even proton pump inhibitors can have serious physical consequences. www.uspharmacist.com/article/proton-pump-inhibitors-considerations-with-longterm-use

So name call all you like. Tell me I'm thick or ill informed etc. I really don't care. I've been around long enough to have direct experience of this. I take whatever the doctor tells me to, but I've had direct experience of the other problems they can then cause physically.