AIBU to Think MNHQ needs to tackle the ageism on this site?

[LastGoldenDaysOfSummer]

The venom and hate aimed at older people on some of the Covid threads is disgusting. If the same was aimed at disabled, TW or BAME people then the posts would be deleted immediately, and rightly so.

But because it's the elderly it's left to stand, even after being reported. This isn't new, MNHQ has always been a hotbed of ageism but it's usually dealt with when reported.

But not any more. Should they be doing more?

Sorry wrong name. Fat fingers
@Topseyt

[quote CayrolBaaaskin]@nighttrains see above. And what a weird claim that there were no music lessons for the boomer generation![/quote]
30 hours a week of childcare is a big financial input, childcare used to cost me £1000 a month and that was over 20 years ago.

I don't know a single person my age who was able to have music lessons in anything other than the recorder at school or piano by an elderly lady who your parents knew. Now there are so many more opportunities for young people today.

@Mumisnotmyonlyname

I don't like these bullying anti Xenia posts. It isn't pleasant. Get over yourselves.

Neither do I. I don't tend to agree with Xenia very often ever at all but unless she's bullying others she has the right to do it without being bullied. That applies to everybody on here.

Your grandparents had council housing available to them and the right to buy. Same as their generation. That’s not available any more to dds generation.

My baby boomer single sibling was on the councill waiting list for about 10 years so it wasn't the case that you could just walked into a council house.
You see she didnt have dc so she was at the back of the list.
The others all rented privately or lodged.

@Jellycatspyjamas

I don’t think it’s ageist to point out that having a baby in your 40s carries more risks than having one younger. It’s just biological fact.

When that information comes laden with value judgements (it’s selfish, you’ll be an older parent and embarrass your kids at the school gate, you won’t have the energy to keep up), it becomes ageist.

And when it comes with assertions from multiple posters that the only sensible thing to do is abort (particularly when the OP happens to mention a health condition), it gets really unnerving.

@Xenia I rarely agree with you on here but your 8.56 post is spot on.

Thanks.
On the 30 hours is illusory though. An inner London good nursery will cost about £22k per baby in after tax income. If you have a baby and a toddler full time in there and you need 8 - 6 cover the 30 hours is neither here nor there as is less than the usual hourly rate so it really has hardly any difference. The same with the £2k per child you can use towards full time child care like a nanny. If the nanny costs £30k a year £2k is better than nothing but virtually no help.

It was just as bad in my day - we spent 50% of our net salary on childcare in 1984 when our first was born. My gross pay was £6250. my teacher husband's was a bit bigger but not much more - more like £7k. With inflation take into account that £6250 a year is £20k gross today (trainee lawyer and trainee lawyer pay in same firms today is £40k so double after the rate of inflation which I assume has become so very very much more because rents went up (trainee lawyers don't buy property as their pay goes u p once they qualify so they wait) and because they pay 9% student loan/graduate tax on earnings over £26k (or may be they just did a lot better than other workers over that period). It can be quite interesting to compare but it is hard to compare fairly even between my daughter and me - same career, both with children/full time career, both in London etc etc but I am 22 years older.

Omg topseyt I didn't see that. So if you are 50 plus and stand back for the young how on earth are you meant to support yourself for the next 18 years?! 50 is young and certainly not like 50 was up until the 1970s. 70 is old and 80 plus to me is elderly.

@Xenia I started work in 1986 on a salary of 3800 per year. It was a junior in a bank. Equates to £11200 today whereas I reckon someone starting today would be on more like 15K.
It was suppossed to be a job for life but it wasn't. We saw redundancies in the late 80s and early 90s. No notice. You were told and escorted off the premises that day.
I was lucky as it enabled me as a single person to get on the property ladder with a fixed rate mortgage but the beneficial loan tax was crippling.
Yes house prices are ridiculous now and I feel for my kids and their cohort but life wasn't easy in the past either.
One of my older female colleagues once showed me her contract of employment and she wasn't even allowed to apply for a mortgage back in the 70s.

I agree, Northern although house prices depends where you live . My late grandparents' house in Bishop Auckland where my father grew up costs about £65k today.

For people taking my career and my daughters' careers it is not harder because for some reason London law salaries have kept up - indeed senior people make a lot more than in the days I started when no partnership was allowed by law to have more than 20 partners etc.

Same here - not kept on when I finished my 2 years of training and had to use annual leave for the first 3 babies, no 6 weeks at 90% pay even as you had to have worked 2 years at the same employer for that which I didn't manage - had a baby at three different law firms within 4 years working until I went into labour too although to be fair plenty of women lawyers waited another 10 years than I did to have a child and took 3 months off not 2 weeks.

Blimey that house is cheap. Even back in the nineties I paid 60K for a bog standard starter home.
I read some example of a comparison using an average house price of 650K to show how tough housing market now is. Total tosh as even in our relatively expensive area for 180k on average you can get a 2 or 3 bed starter home.

Everyone over the age of 50 suffers from dementia, according to MN.

Blimey that house is cheap

Because it’s in an area with very high unemployment and most jobs are in call centres or as care assistants. It’s one of the most deprived places in the country.

Yes and though if you can work from home due to cv19 we might see a sea change in the attraction of places like Bishop Auckland - the house was on this road www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=56137671&sale=8899777&country=england. My grandparents had a cellar too and back yard.

My mother grew up in a cheaper house (although of course in those days like most people in her mother's case just rented it ). www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=74661368&sale=9341998&country=england

Makes sense. Thank you

I think it’s bloody outrageous.

I’ve complained to Mumsnet- got nowhere
Complained to outside organisation. Was told as it’s an internet based thing they can’t do anything.

And for the record;
I suffered during youth unemployment in the 80’s. My friend was a YTS girl.
I vote Labour and voted remain
I don’t have tons of money nor a gold plated pension
I worry that my children (Millennialls and Gen z are being shafted left right and centre)
I don’t have a massive house and no mortgage. I’m just trying to get by like everyone else.

It’s my intention to report every ageist and Boomer post until l see a result.

And as a single parent (not by choice) l was vilified by Thatcher. And there was no childcare help or tax credits then.

Ageism and Disablism are rife in this country. It is true that nobody would dream of discrimination if it involved Bame, or involved gay men.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

I think it’s bloody outrageous.

I’ve complained to Mumsnet- got nowhere
Complained to outside organisation. Was told as it’s an internet based thing they can’t do anything.

And for the record;
I suffered during youth unemployment in the 80’s. My friend was a YTS girl.
I vote Labour and voted remain
I don’t have tons of money nor a gold plated pension
I worry that my children (Millennialls and Gen z are being shafted left right and centre)
I don’t have a massive house and no mortgage. I’m just trying to get by like everyone else.

It’s my intention to report every ageist and Boomer post until l see a result.

Me too. I must admit, HQ are pretty good with the out and out ageist hate speech. I spend all day flicking through threads I have no interest in just because the title says something like "elderly man blablabla" you know it's going to be abusive.

I started on here in 2006. This place is scary right now.

In 2006 it was just about babies, families, and mild disagreements about politics. None of the visciousness that exists now

Thank you for starting this thread. I'm sick of posts badically saying let the elderly die , or make them stay at home as they're ruining lives of uni students/school children.

The Covid threads are full of it.

But how do we make them take action against it?

Also, I hate how old people are treated as expendable. As if they don’t have loved ones of their own.

But who has got the time and energy realistically to report every post.

It needs consolidated action from the MN team.