To think we are heading for a full 2 week national half term lockdown

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DS’s school ramping up the preparation to teach on MS teams & making sure they can all use it & have the tech in place.

Teachers indicating that it’s going to be half term plus another couple of weeks after.

Given the rising numbers, it’s seems more likely that’s what’s coming - and maybe even a full lockdown this time & not the half arsed one we had before.

Aibu? I am worried as my kids really hated it last time but with so many new cases, it just seems the likely path

I quite fancy two weeks of lockdown again. I’m fed up with working 🤣

I don’t know. Two weeks isn’t very long and will just pause it all slightly.

My question would be and then what ?
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It's not going anywhere. It won't suddenly be gone.
So many people thought it would be over after the first time now that they are realising it isn't going to be for a long time people I know are wanting to get on with things .

I honestly don't see how we can afford another lockdown like the last one .
And children have payed a huge price in all this as well imo

We are due to finish on Friday for 2 weeks' holiday. Preparations for a lockdown have not been mentioned at all. We have very few cases in our area so I won't be happy if this happens.

I am getting increasingly fed up of photos of crowds of people blatantly ignoring rules when those of us who abide by them still get punished

The north were subjected to the last lockdown even when the vast majority of cases were in London, so why would the south object to a lockdown when the tables are turned?

Because part of the reason we have this divide now is exactly for this reason.

A nationwide (England) lockdown didnt work last time but at that point we didnt have the data so we had to. We do now. Why would doing it now make sense.

Plus there is every chance that once the current areas flatten London/South East could flair up later on. Why would the North then need locking down.

Italy is rising again close to 3000 cases. Further restrictions are about to come in their

No, I don't think so. That's not an indication of whether we should or shouldn't, I just don't think that this is on the cards.

All the others, those responsible for keeping everyone in food/heating/medicine etc still have to go out to work

And thank goodness they do! One of the reasons I get so cross with unmasked people in supermarkets is because of the risk to staff who have no choice but to be there.

Could the reason for the failure of local lockdowns be because some areas have a greater concentration of jobs that are essential but can't be done from home?

Hardly any cases in our area. No need for a circuit break here. Shouldn't be nationwide

work places seem to be making people go in - know quite a few who did work from home fine but work is still making them all go in now as its too wooolly on the 'guidance' so they would def be happy with another lockdown as long as it is a real one where its enforced

Full-assed lockdown didn't put Spain in a better position now. Whatever happens now needs to be sustainable (hence some of us liked the Swedish strategy).

DS is in Army, most the other soldiers went on leave March-September. DS is first to say (praise, even) that most of the squaddies are 'Primal' in their attitudes. I don't like image of Primal people should be policing civilians on streets.

6 cases per 100k persons in my district (population 109k). We should not be in stricter lockdown measures than we are now. DC missed school badly for 6 months.

Personally I didn’t mind full lockdown, I’ve found this pretend ‘normal’ harder and my risk level at work has increased now. I wouldn’t mind a short sharp lockdown but not months again. Mainly because I worked all the way through the last one and would like some time at home not rushing anywhere - although actually maybe I just need a real break sometime this year!

I don't think they would shut businesses, parks, pubs, restaurants etc however I think the only thing they would do is ban household mixing for a few weeks - that's where the transmission is happening so how can they justify closing everything else?

Exactly this. Why don't people understand? Lickdowns don't make the virus go away

People do understand that. Why don't people understand that they do prevent infection rates getting way out of control and the health service becoming so overwhelmed by it that people die unnecessarily through lack of health care.

@Namechanger20183110 how do you actually know that is where transmisson is happening, not the packed pubs with pissed up people falling over each other, or the shops where no one is social distancing and half the people arent wearing masks

The economy is fucked
People's mental health is on the edge
But if a two week circuit-breaker over half term is going to SIGNIFICANTLY cut infections and speed up a return to 'normality' then this may be a better option than endless regional/half-baked lockdows that get flouted anyway.

A circuit breaker/marshall law version would be frightening and horrible but if it was for two weeks and then that was it, I'd suck it up.

It will not happen. The economy cannot afford it.

@MadameBlobby

As for if it happens again, I won’t be complying fully anyway. Obviously if places close I can’t go there but I won’t be sticking to travel 5 miles from home/only going out once a day/only shopping for essentials once a week etc. Screw that. I’m not taking annual leave to spend it cooped in the house. They are taking the piss when there have been elected representatives travelling the length and bread of this country with the actual virus.

I think you'll find that it is you that is taking the piss.

I'm still waiting for an answer that will help
Me understand how a two week lockdown will help
Surely all it does is slow down transmission and then once we "unlock " we will be back where we are now
Do we keep repeating ad infinitum?
Or do we get promised a two week lockdown which will end up being lengthened and lengthened like the previous one

A. Who actually cares if cases are rising so long as hospital admissions and deaths arent. B. I'm in the south east and cases are low so why should the economy tank here when we dont need to lock down

@SlightlyJaded

The economy is fucked People's mental health is on the edge But if a two week circuit-breaker over half term is going to SIGNIFICANTLY cut infections and speed up a return to 'normality' then this may be a better option than endless regional/half-baked lockdows that get flouted anyway.

A circuit breaker/marshall law version would be frightening and horrible but if it was for two weeks and then that was it, I'd suck it up.

Wheres the guarantee that it would end after 2 weeks?

No way should we submit to martial law. No way.

Hospital admissions and deaths are rising

Mine gets two weeks off anyway, and we can't afford to go anywhere anyway.

@Notyoungbutscrappyandhungry, I wondered about the number of "shielders" being a factor. My county has a higher than average proportion of the over-80s and a low death rate. When I look at the very detailed map on the government website, it's clear that the wards that have had the most deaths are also the ones that have most care homes.

I honestly don’t think it will have that much of an impact. It can take more than 2 weeks for the virus to spread round a household anyway (especially when people are either asymptotic or have such mild symptoms that they don’t realise they have it). So unless every person in each house self isolates from each other for the duration, 2 weeks doesn’t even guarantee that a household is ‘clear’.

Than there’s the list of people who HAVE to go to work. It’s still spreading amongst those people. Many of those will not know they’re infected by the end of the fortnight, and will be back to mixing with (and potentially spreading it to) those who have just come out of a lockdown.

We then have to consider childcare. DH and I are both prison officers, we have to physically go to work. We are far from the only household where either both or the only parent is a ‘key worker’. I’m not sure that the country could cope with losing a large proportion of these workers, even for 2 weeks. During the initial lockdown schools were able to offer a limited childcare service to these families, but we can’t expect teacher, TAs etc to give up their annual leave (especially since many gave up their easter break to cover the schools). That means that the government will have to allow extended family childcare, as is the case in some local lockdown areas. That’s another link that won’t be ‘broken’, and where the virus will still be spreading.

And that doesn’t even factor in all the other ways lockdowns cause damage.

I'll believe it IF it happens, not WHEN. If he thinks we're prepared to have our businesses and livelihoods trashed AGAIN, Saint Boris is overestimating the patience and compliance that his taxpaying voters have for him; the brainwashing and fearmongering might have worked in March, but people are wising up. Saint Boris will need all the "peace and goodwill from all men" he can get over the Christmas period. Is he prepared to squander it now?

And I'm nervous about "two weeks". Saint Boris doesn't do well with time limits. Look at "We can turn this virus around in twelve weeks", and "normalish by Christmas".

And again:
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